Bob Sacamano Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, ThirdGen said: This whole thing is way overblown. Ever sit in the bleachers at Wrigley? They would need to ban 50 fans per game. I kind of agree. The kid's 22. There's no way he knew him mom was dead. I think it was just a innocent but stupid "I banged your mom" level joke (have these ever been funny?) that was said to the wrong person. Not defending his actions obviously and hopefully he learns a valuable lesson out of this but the lifetime ban from all ballparks might be a little much. Edit: I feel like fans have said worse and players have heard worse. Edited June 27 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 14 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I kind of agree. The kid's 22. There's no way he knew him mom was dead. I think it was just a innocent but stupid "I banged your mom" level joke (have these ever been funny?) that was said to the wrong person. Not defending his actions obviously and hopefully he learns a valuable lesson out of this but the lifetime ban from all ballparks might be a little much. Edit: I feel like fans have said worse and players have heard worse. Player says homophobic slur to fan - 2 game suspension Fan makes pretty tame comment to player - Banned for life 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 I think the best thing the kid could do now since he clearly is being outed, is come out and admit it exactly what was said “hey, this is what I said. (Insert quote) Knowing now the information about him mom, I never would have said anything like that and regret saying it with all of my heart and apologize to Ketel Marte, the dbacks, and the white Sox” to me, if he literally said nothing worse than a yo mama joke, the above would get him off a lot of peoples bad side and he could move on. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdGen Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 33 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I kind of agree. The kid's 22. There's no way he knew him mom was dead. I think it was just a innocent but stupid "I banged your mom" level joke (have these ever been funny?) that was said to the wrong person. Not defending his actions obviously and hopefully he learns a valuable lesson out of this but the lifetime ban from all ballparks might be a little much. Edit: I feel like fans have said worse and players have heard worse. I couldn't tell you which Sox players' parents have passed, much less the other 29 teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I think the best thing the kid could do now since he clearly is being outed, is come out and admit it exactly what was said “hey, this is what I said. (Insert quote) Knowing now the information about him mom, I never would have said anything like that and regret saying it with all of my heart and apologize to Ketel Marte, the dbacks, and the white Sox” to me, if he literally said nothing worse than a yo mama joke, the above would get him off a lot of peoples bad side and he could move on. I mean no matter what was actually said, an apology is always a good starting point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: lol I want to follow up on that Yankee fan that ripped the ball out of Mookies glove in the WS. I bet you money that dude has been to a game this year 😂 I'm 50/50 cause I feel like that jackass would make it known that he still got in and claim diplomatic immunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 25 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean no matter what was actually said, an apology is always a good starting point. Yes. He's got to at least apologize. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Its like if I am walking with a drink and another guy bumps into me and I spill all over myself and go "Hey dipshit, are you fucking blind?" and the guy goes "Yes, I am actually blind." Am I an asshole? Probably. Do I deserve to be crucified and have TikTok gathering to masses to ruin my life, probably not. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Yeah I wouldn't publicly apologize either to keep my name off the internet as much as possible, although I know he's been dox'ed already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 38 minutes ago, T R U said: Its like if I am walking with a drink and another guy bumps into me and I spill all over myself and go "Hey dipshit, are you fucking blind?" and the guy goes "Yes, I am actually blind." Am I an asshole? Probably. Do I deserve to be crucified and have TikTok gathering to masses to ruin my life, probably not. I mean you could start with not replying in a way looking for problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NO!!MARY!!! Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 I think the outrage stems over the fact that people are automatically assuming that he taunted Marte over his mother being dead. Turns out it was just a standard issue “your mother’s a…” crack that players hear all the time. It affected him because his mom is dead, which 100% understandable. What bothers me now are the usual moral outragers, the ones glomming onto it to torture the guy and put him through hell. It’s uncalled for and, as one person already said, unacceptable. He opened his mouth and said the wrong thing to the wrong person. His banning is enough, hopefully he learned his lesson. He doesn’t need an internet lynch mob coming after to him to revel in their moral superiority. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean you could start with not replying in a way looking for problems. Oh for sure, i just meant there was quite an outrage over this idiot when it’s starting to look more and more like it was completely overblown. You are right though, there would be no problems had you just kept your mouth shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 52 minutes ago, NO!!MARY!!! said: I think the outrage stems over the fact that people are automatically assuming that he taunted Marte over his mother being dead. Turns out it was just a standard issue “your mother’s a…” crack that players hear all the time. It affected him because his mom is dead, which 100% understandable. What bothers me now are the usual moral outragers, the ones glomming onto it to torture the guy and put him through hell. It’s uncalled for and, as one person already said, unacceptable. He opened his mouth and said the wrong thing to the wrong person. His banning is enough, hopefully he learned his lesson. He doesn’t need an internet lynch mob coming after to him to revel in their moral superiority. I think you mean that he's going to get the same treatment that anybody who offers an opinion in public considered controversial usually gets. Like, the dudes who online tortured the women of the Ghostbusters remake weren't acting on moral superiority. I'm sure a lot of the guys acting out over this aren't doing it in defense of the good names of all mothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 28 minutes ago, T R U said: Oh for sure, i just meant there was quite an outrage over this idiot when it’s starting to look more and more like it was completely overblown. You are right though, there would be no problems had you just kept your mouth shut. And there still should be moral outrage. If you're at the game trying to have a good time with your young kids, you don't want some drunken a-hole 3 rows back bellowing BS about how he railed some players "crack whore" mother. Somebody who wants to yell that out in public should have to consider getting tossed from the park after a single warning and enjoying a ban after defiance in the face of more warnings. We're defending idiot behavior, not because it's a rite of passage, but because we thought it was funny at some point in our lives and did it, ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Marte reveals what was said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/06/27/ketel-marte-diamondbacks-chicago-white-sox-rate-field-torey-lovullo-banned-fan-danny-beisbol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: And there still should be moral outrage. If you're at the game trying to have a good time with your young kids, you don't want some drunken a-hole 3 rows back bellowing BS about how he railed some players "crack whore" mother. Somebody who wants to yell that out in public should have to consider getting tossed from the park after a single warning and enjoying a ban after defiance in the face of more warnings. We're defending idiot behavior, not because it's a rite of passage, but because we thought it was funny at some point in our lives and did it, ourselves. I don’t disagree with you, but see above, doesn’t sound like he said anything remotely close to what you’re saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 9 minutes ago, T R U said: I don’t disagree with you, but see above, doesn’t sound like he said anything remotely close to what you’re saying. He didn't. But if the news is that guys are getting banned for "I texted your mother last night", then maybe they'll shut up with the more detailed stuff. Sure, it's a memorable evening when that one heckler is funny. You have to go through thousands of them to get to that one guy, tho. Edited June 28 by WestEddy I had more wisdom to add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 And now the Twitter backlash begins. Poor, little white boy said what any of us white boys would have said at 22, and now the "morality police" are performing "fake outrage". Maybe Trump should send this dipshit to Venezuela to heckle the cartels. I'm sure they'd cry and ban him from their cartel games. Weird how the same people were flexing their "moral outrage" and their moral superiority when they thought the kid was yelling out details of Marte's mother's fatal car accident. I'm glad bro-dudes have moved onto the "backlash" stage of bro-dude grieving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 10 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: I think the best thing the kid could do now since he clearly is being outed, is come out and admit it exactly what was said “hey, this is what I said. (Insert quote) Knowing now the information about him mom, I never would have said anything like that and regret saying it with all of my heart and apologize to Ketel Marte, the dbacks, and the white Sox” to me, if he literally said nothing worse than a yo mama joke, the above would get him off a lot of peoples bad side and he could move on. Good call. I wonder how he could do it without outing his name and going on camera. Maybe send an email to all the outlets who cover the team, TV, radio and print? But if it was an ill timed ill informed mama joke a lifetime ban mite be too much. It might have been a dumb harmless mama joke. Either way the fan was stupid to go there and insensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I have held back commenting on this story, because I wanted to have all the facts before doing so. Ultimately, this appears to be a big nothing that has been blown out of proportions by all sides. The moral police immediately assumed the worst by thinking some 22 year old drunk kid was legit evil and ripping into Marte over his mom being dead despite it being unlikely he even knew of her passing. And now you have the free speech police all worked up because the kid received a lifetime ban from all Major League teams when it turned out he was only making some generic “yo mama” jokes. The amount of attention this story has gotten and all the corresponding responses are the perfect depiction of just how fucked up this country is right now. The need for many to immediately serve as judge, jury, and executioner on social media is a massive problem for a country built around due process. At the same time, this idea that people can say and do dumb s%*# under the guise of “free speech” and should just receive a slap on the wrist is just as problematic. The reality here is we have a dumb, drunk 22 year old riding a player to be cool and/or impress the girl he was with. The comments were random and not built to personally strike a nerve with Marte, but unfortunately by happenstance they did. The coaches then yelled at the fan and told him that he had gone too far given the circumstance and it sounds like the kid didn’t lay off. IMO, if that last point is true, then the kid is probably a pretty big douchebag and should be held accountable for his actions. Whether that should be lifetime bans, I don’t know and candidly I don’t care. This is a private fucking business and if they don’t want this douche around then this is their choice. I get many of us have done stupid and hurtful things in our youth, myself included, but an important part of growth is actually facing some consequences. The kid certainly shouldn’t have been doxxed, but if MLB wants to tell him to f*** off forever then hopefully he and others learn from this and think a little bit before they act in the future. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Mike Downey probably had to twist Jerry's arm to permanently ban a fan from the park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I have held back commenting on this story, because I wanted to have all the facts before doing so. Ultimately, this appears to be a big nothing that has been blown out of proportions by all sides. The moral police immediately assumed the worst by thinking some 22 year old drunk kid was legit evil and ripping into Marte over his mom being dead despite it being unlikely he even knew of her passing. And now you have the free speech police all worked up because the kid received a lifetime ban from all Major League teams when it turned out he was only making some generic “yo mama” jokes. The amount of attention this story has gotten and all the corresponding responses are the perfect depiction of just how fucked up this country is right now. The need for many to immediately serve as judge, jury, and executioner on social media is a massive problem for a country built around due process. At the same time, this idea that people can say and do dumb s%*# under the guise of “free speech” and should just receive a slap on the wrist is just as problematic. The reality here is we have a dumb, drunk 22 year old riding a player to be cool and/or impress the girl he was with. The comments were random and not built to personally strike a nerve with Marte, but unfortunately by happenstance they did. The coaches then yelled at the fan and told him that he had gone too far given the circumstance and it sounds like the kid didn’t lay off. IMO, if that last point is true, then the kid is probably a pretty big douchebag and should be held accountable for his actions. Whether that should be lifetime bans, I don’t know and candidly I don’t care. This is a private fucking business and if they don’t want this douche around then this is their choice. I get many of us have done stupid and hurtful things in our youth, myself included, but an important part of growth is actually facing some consequences. The kid certainly shouldn’t have been doxxed, but if MLB wants to tell him to f*** off forever then hopefully he and others learn from this and think a little bit before they act in the future. I’ve started writing something like this several times, but deleted it based on my words’ injustice to my thoughts. Thank you for the lucid, logical, and rational post that represents exactly my thoughts and sentiments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I have held back commenting on this story, because I wanted to have all the facts before doing so. Ultimately, this appears to be a big nothing that has been blown out of proportions by all sides. The moral police immediately assumed the worst by thinking some 22 year old drunk kid was legit evil and ripping into Marte over his mom being dead despite it being unlikely he even knew of her passing. And now you have the free speech police all worked up because the kid received a lifetime ban from all Major League teams when it turned out he was only making some generic “yo mama” jokes. The amount of attention this story has gotten and all the corresponding responses are the perfect depiction of just how fucked up this country is right now. The need for many to immediately serve as judge, jury, and executioner on social media is a massive problem for a country built around due process. At the same time, this idea that people can say and do dumb s%*# under the guise of “free speech” and should just receive a slap on the wrist is just as problematic. The reality here is we have a dumb, drunk 22 year old riding a player to be cool and/or impress the girl he was with. The comments were random and not built to personally strike a nerve with Marte, but unfortunately by happenstance they did. The coaches then yelled at the fan and told him that he had gone too far given the circumstance and it sounds like the kid didn’t lay off. IMO, if that last point is true, then the kid is probably a pretty big douchebag and should be held accountable for his actions. Whether that should be lifetime bans, I don’t know and candidly I don’t care. This is a private fucking business and if they don’t want this douche around then this is their choice. I get many of us have done stupid and hurtful things in our youth, myself included, but an important part of growth is actually facing some consequences. The kid certainly shouldn’t have been doxxed, but if MLB wants to tell him to f*** off forever then hopefully he and others learn from this and think a little bit before they act in the future. The way this got huge coverage in the press AND because the Sox have had several black eyes in the national media over the years with fan incidents, I doesn't surprise me that they felt they should take quick, strong action. People are still talking about the belly fat shooting incident (especially with Jerry being deposed now) and it took at least a decade for the franchise to live down the Ligue incident. Yeah, there are idiot fans everywhere and at pretty much any MLB park, but the Sox image has really been hit hard in the past by fan incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 In a video first posted on TikTok, the Arizona manager was seen angrily pointing out the fan who allegedly had been taunting Ketel Marte about his late mother .... During the clip .. Lovullo is seen yelling at the fan before gesturing towards security to have him thrown out. “Dumb f***,” Lovullo appears to say in video. “His mom died, you dumb f***. Dumb f***.” Lovullo could have ignored the fan but instead chose to escalate the taunt by himself injecting the fact that Marte's mother died. This is no defense for the fan's behavior but at the same time the Manager made a larger deal out of this than it needed to be. Finally, I feel sorry for all of us that have had parents and loved ones die including Ketel's mom, but he is a professional and maybe could have handled this better (i.e., giving the fan the finger or just ignoring him and playing the game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 This is basically the rockie's Dinger fiasco. The mob is almost always wrong, but people love to assume the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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