77 Hitmen Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 9 hours ago, NO!!MARY!!! said: Are you kidding? There are fans still mad at Al Lopez for not starting Billy Pierce in the 1959 World Series. And Bill Veeck for his trades in 1960. Ain't that the truth! 9 hours ago, NO!!MARY!!! said: Lovable Comiskey? No, it wasn’t. It was never accorded the reverence given to Wrigley, Fenway and Tiger Stadium. A 1990 Sporting News article trashed it and quoted players who hated the place. Yep, it only became "lovable" after it was gone. It never had the same mass appeal of Wrigley or Fenway (I'd say Tiger Stadium was more along the lines of Comiskey). And part of why we remember Old Comiskey so fondly is because Jerry & Co. botched the design of the new ballpark so badly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 32 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: Ain't that the truth! Yep, it only became "lovable" after it was gone. It never had the same mass appeal of Wrigley or Fenway (I'd say Tiger Stadium was more along the lines of Comiskey). And part of why we remember Old Comiskey so fondly is because Jerry & Co. botched the design of the new ballpark so badly. I spent many nights and days at that place and always considered it a very nice ballpark. Comiskey had its faults just like Wrigley, Fenway, Tiger Stadium, Forbes Field et al but overall it was a good place to watch a game from. And it was a hell of a lot better than the cookie cutter stadiums that opened in the 1970's. Watch the documentary "Last Comiskey" on You Tube. It will give you a proper perspective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 17 hours ago, Sox guy said: lol what. No one's flexing nor saying what you should care about. Did you even read the post. It was an assessment of Jerry's ownership. Maybe he's been terrible, or maybe he made decisions the rest of us would have, so we shouldn't judge. Moon baseball is appealing to some, and it was the late 80s where everyone was obsessed with futuristic stuff. So maybe everyone else here would also have insisted on stratospheric seats. Like Trent Resnor said, they bring you closer to God. I don't know enough about JR's impact on the Strike, so I couldn't really comment on that. Re: the 1984 shift in Chicago culture. Yes, that definitely was the turning point we haven't recovered from. It was hard to compete with Ryno, the Deer, Sarge, Bull (thin version), Penguin, Red Baron, Rainbow Trout and Leaping Larry Bowa. Plus Jody, the king of the wild frontier. I was a huge fan of them back then, but when the playoffs arrived, I was glad SD won, which was the 1st time my allegiance started to shift. It started a slow burn where the cubs went from great heroes, to a bunch of idiots who deserved nothing but last place. Sadly, pca is the new Ryno. You can't help but respect the kid, and he'll probably lead them to the title this year. Gonna be a rough October, yall, buckle up. The Sox were outdrawing the Cubs 1991-1994. It wasn’t 1984 that broke them, it was Reinsdorf’s role in the lockout. They never recovered from the lockout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 On 7/15/2025 at 9:40 AM, southsider2k5 said: So we aren't supposed to care about the state of the team today, but still be upset from stuff from like 30-40 years ago? Weird flex. So it's what have you done lately vs. an established pattern that keeps repeating. There is one constant in the latter. I could understand if the team went through more than one owner. The pattern is fans can't have nice things. If so it's temporary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 10 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said: The Sox were outdrawing the Cubs 1991-1994. It wasn’t 1984 that broke them, it was Reinsdorf’s role in the lockout. They never recovered from the lockout. New stadium bounce... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 On 7/14/2025 at 7:24 AM, thedoctor said: it will get better when jerry leaves and we blow out every level of the org. i know margalus talked a lot about the organizational "rot" that has happened during jr's tenure, and i think that persists. yes, i know we've changed some things and updated some things and a lot of those are not things that show immediate results, but i remain skeptical. even if our prospects succeed and become good frontline mlb players, jerry is never going to add the piece or two you always need to add to put you over the top. so if this team gets good with the current prospects, i'd just expect to be repeating a sell-off in 3-4 years once we fall short. Anyone who thinks they should have 10+ years of life left should be reasonably optimistic about having new owners with money. It's the time left with JR that has everyone scratching each others eyes out here . The mods are power tripping on their support of ultra negative feedback which is of course the side that most of them stand. Shouldn't something like our ability to report posts be private instead of broadcast to the rest of the board ? Apparently it's a feature that people don't use that often but nice to know that if I did use it it could be thrown back in my face by a mod who isn't really trying to be an arbiter of fairness but just supporting the negative boys club . This place should be just shut down for 5 years or the mods should just decide who will be allowed into their negative boys club so they can stroke each others testosterone . Big fish in a small pond egotists. Too many signs of Fascism around here. Lord of the Flies level failure of self governance. It's very chaotic. There's less people posting here now. That's because there's just less interest in the team because they are bad but it's also the toxic environment here. Still a lot posts though because some people revel in being a loud critical voice . It's like being a pyromaniac and lighting things on fire and getting a thrill from watching it burn with other pyros laughing maniacally slapping you on your back. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 10 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Anyone who thinks they should have 10+ years of life left should be reasonably optimistic about having new owners with money. It's the time left with JR that has everyone scratching each others eyes out here . The mods are power tripping on their support of ultra negative feedback which is of course the side that most of them stand. Shouldn't something like our ability to report posts be private instead of broadcast to the rest of the board ? Apparently it's a feature that people don't use that often but nice to know that if I did use it it could be thrown back in my face by a mod who isn't really trying to be an arbiter of fairness but just supporting the negative boys club . This place should be just shut down for 5 years or the mods should just decide who will be allowed into their negative boys club so they can stroke each others testosterone . Big fish in a small pond egotists. Too many signs of Fascism around here. Lord of the Flies level failure of self governance. It's very chaotic. There's less people posting here now. That's because there's just less interest in the team because they are bad but it's also the toxic environment here. Still a lot posts though because some people revel in being a loud critical voice . It's like being a pyromaniac and lighting things on fire and getting a thrill from watching it burn with other pyros laughing maniacally slapping you on your back. Listen, I don’t care what you think about us or our “power tripping”. What I called out was absolutely bullshit by him and I would do it again, if someone else did the same thing. I think what the issue is here, is you want your own forum where you can be the power tripping mod. It’s pretty clear how much you try to police everyone on this board and use your history as some sort of a hammer. I just don’t care anymore, your brand of board presence is boring. Sometimes you can couch your condescension and actually participate but damn you just want to make sure everyone knows you are so right about everything and maybe they should listen to you. Lmao So maybe go do that, open your own forum and you can be the power tripper. Enjoy. So, anyways, Back to ignoring you 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Listen, I don’t care what you think about us or our “power tripping”. What I called out was absolutely bullshit by him and I would do it again, if someone else did the same thing. I think what the issue is here, is you want your own forum where you can be the power tripping mod. It’s pretty clear how much you try to police everyone on this board and use your history as some sort of a hammer. I just don’t care anymore, your brand of board presence is boring. Sometimes you can couch your condescension and actually participate but damn you just want to make sure everyone knows you are so right about everything and maybe they should listen to you. Lmao So maybe go do that, open your own forum and you can be the power tripper. Enjoy. So, anyways, Back to ignoring you Dude, I already had him on Ignore and you just made me read his long whiny ass post because you quoted him. Thanks… 🤣 Nothing more hilarious than someone who complains about a message board that they don’t run or pay for, suggests that it should shut down, yet continues to post on it. I can think of a much easier solution to his problem with the board, but it looks like you beat me to it… Edited July 17 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 this thread title is so depressing . i want it to stop popping up as the top one . though i'm sure the discussion has been good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Anyone who thinks they should have 10+ years of life left should be reasonably optimistic about having new owners with money. It's the time left with JR that has everyone scratching each others eyes out here . The mods are power tripping on their support of ultra negative feedback which is of course the side that most of them stand. Shouldn't something like our ability to report posts be private instead of broadcast to the rest of the board ? Apparently it's a feature that people don't use that often but nice to know that if I did use it it could be thrown back in my face by a mod who isn't really trying to be an arbiter of fairness but just supporting the negative boys club . This place should be just shut down for 5 years or the mods should just decide who will be allowed into their negative boys club so they can stroke each others testosterone . Big fish in a small pond egotists. Too many signs of Fascism around here. Lord of the Flies level failure of self governance. It's very chaotic. There's less people posting here now. That's because there's just less interest in the team because they are bad but it's also the toxic environment here. Still a lot posts though because some people revel in being a loud critical voice . It's like being a pyromaniac and lighting things on fire and getting a thrill from watching it burn with other pyros laughing maniacally slapping you on your back. Is someone paying you to be here? If so, can you let me know who, because I'd love to get in on that action. If not...door is over there. Feel free to leave at anytime. We never lock it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 58 minutes ago, 2Deep said: I agree with others here that nothing changes until Jerry goes away. In regards to the young guys, this is a developmental year and there are going to struggle. The hope is by the start of next year guys like TEEL, QUERO, MEIDROTH, MONTGOMERY, TAYLOR, even Shane Smith ....along with others you will see up in the Majors in august and beyond take some steps and become good MLB players. That is the only hope I have until Jerry Fucks off. In reality, as long as the current ownership won't supplement their young core with elite free agents or keep their own players, it's hard for this to sustain more than a few seasons before another teardown would be needed. Currently, they are probably another full season away from being even competitive, much less winning. They are going to lose 100+ games for 3 straight seasons. Assuming they improve next season, what does that look like? 85-90 losses which is still around 70-75 wins. From there, you hope that the players you mentioned are legitimate MLB players who are improving, but it's hard to see that group alone being a formidable offense. It's probably missing 2-3 veteran difference makers. Pitching is in much better shape, but with injuries and depth needed, not to mention, regular turnover from their policy to not give pitchers long-term deals. It's exciting to have a nice pipeline of young pitching, and the White Sox are good at developing pitching, but it's also exhausting to look around the league at all of the star power that they have moved on from due to money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1) Jerry Reinsdorf dies and his kids sell the team. 2) Reinsdorf actually goes through with this deal to sell to Ishbia, and he upgrades the team to MLB standards at a minimum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 13 hours ago, caulfield12 said: New stadium bounce... Certainly 91-92. I wouldn’t credit 93-94 with the new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 21 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Anyone who thinks they should have 10+ years of life left should be reasonably optimistic about having new owners with money. It's the time left with JR that has everyone scratching each others eyes out here . The mods are power tripping on their support of ultra negative feedback which is of course the side that most of them stand. Shouldn't something like our ability to report posts be private instead of broadcast to the rest of the board ? Apparently it's a feature that people don't use that often but nice to know that if I did use it it could be thrown back in my face by a mod who isn't really trying to be an arbiter of fairness but just supporting the negative boys club . This place should be just shut down for 5 years or the mods should just decide who will be allowed into their negative boys club so they can stroke each others testosterone . Big fish in a small pond egotists. Too many signs of Fascism around here. Lord of the Flies level failure of self governance. It's very chaotic. There's less people posting here now. That's because there's just less interest in the team because they are bad but it's also the toxic environment here. Still a lot posts though because some people revel in being a loud critical voice . It's like being a pyromaniac and lighting things on fire and getting a thrill from watching it burn with other pyros laughing maniacally slapping you on your back. Memo to CaliSox: Keep posting, even if it pisses off a couple mods. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 9 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said: Certainly 91-92. I wouldn’t credit 93-94 with the new stadium. Yeah '93~'94 was genuinely the product on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 11 minutes ago, JoeC said: Yeah '93~'94 was genuinely the product on the field. Imagine having that 93 team morph into that 94 monster team, then spearheading a strike to remove your team from a chance to go to the World Series, then selling off the next season when Cleveland is on the upswing. Could never be me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 11 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Imagine having that 93 team morph into that 94 monster team, then spearheading a strike to remove your team from a chance to go to the World Series, then selling off the next season when Cleveland is on the upswing. Could never be me It's almost like having a great young core in 2020 be ready to take the next step, only to bring in an ancient dinosaur of a manager to lead the team and watch nearly all of the players regress and rot away. But nobody would be dumb enough to do both of those things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 22 minutes ago, JoeC said: It's almost like having a great young core in 2020 be ready to take the next step, only to bring in an ancient dinosaur of a manager to lead the team and watch nearly all of the players regress and rot away. But nobody would be dumb enough to do both of those things. I certainly cannot think of anyone willing to shoot BOTH feet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 59 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Imagine having that 93 team morph into that 94 monster team, then spearheading a strike to remove your team from a chance to go to the World Series, then selling off the next season when Cleveland is on the upswing. Could never be me And people wonder why most of us are ready for something new. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: I certainly cannot think of anyone willing to shoot BOTH feet Don’t forget allowing the GM of his other team to run the greatest player of all time out of town a few years later. Orgs win championships you say? Seriously, get fucked Jerry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 The Sox need someone to be what they were drafted to be. Either Montgomery becoming an All Star would be nice. But they also need a couple surprises like Barger for Toronto or McKinley for Detroit. Someone like Sosa or Baldwin or Antonacci outhitting their tools because they do not have enough legit prospects to build a decent offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 44 minutes ago, Timmy U said: The Sox need someone to be what they were drafted to be. Either Montgomery becoming an All Star would be nice. But they also need a couple surprises like Barger for Toronto or McKinley for Detroit. Someone like Sosa or Baldwin or Antonacci outhitting their tools because they do not have enough legit prospects to build a decent offense. Those are the kinds of wins that keep a team like Cleveland and Tampa hanging around most years. They turn a nobody into a usable piece and then sell high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NO!!MARY!!! Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 On 7/17/2025 at 12:16 AM, FloydBannister1983 said: The Sox were outdrawing the Cubs 1991-1994. It wasn’t 1984 that broke them, it was Reinsdorf’s role in the lockout. They never recovered from the lockout. Not true. Cubs outdrew the Sox in 1993, even though the Sox won their division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 33 minutes ago, NO!!MARY!!! said: Not true. Cubs outdrew the Sox in 1993, even though the Sox won their division. That is true but JR's position in the 93-94 impasse and then the White Flag Trade severely impacted the perception of the franchise by the fan base. Even in 2000 fans were reluctant to get on board still feeling betrayed and angry over his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 4 hours ago, NO!!MARY!!! said: Not true. Cubs outdrew the Sox in 1993, even though the Sox won their division. The Cubs did outdraw in 1993 by a small amount. The Sox outdrew again in 1994 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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