hogan873 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 There's a difference between being active and getting big returns in trades. The Sox will be active because they have guys that can be at least useful to teams in contention, and those guys don't have a future with the Sox. Houser is probably the best trade piece they have, and teams will be wary of giving up too much for a guy with only a short (and out of nowhere) history of success. Robert's return may better than we think but still not much. Other guys may net an interesting player or two. So, I would expect 4-6 players to be traded for modest returns with a couple interesting/promising prospects. Active, yes. Big returns, probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 12 minutes ago, hogan873 said: There's a difference between being active and getting big returns in trades. The Sox will be active because they have guys that can be at least useful to teams in contention, and those guys don't have a future with the Sox. Houser is probably the best trade piece they have, and teams will be wary of giving up too much for a guy with only a short (and out of nowhere) history of success. Robert's return may better than we think but still not much. Other guys may net an interesting player or two. So, I would expect 4-6 players to be traded for modest returns with a couple interesting/promising prospects. Active, yes. Big returns, probably not. Im OK with this, anything young and interesting is extremely valuable to this organization as of right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 54 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Bowden suggests strong market exists for Robert despite his stats. He and Nightengale have said that, though both seems like they always on the ultra-optimistic side. I think Nightengale is LaRussas leak guy personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, hogan873 said: There's a difference between being active and getting big returns in trades. The Sox will be active because they have guys that can be at least useful to teams in contention, and those guys don't have a future with the Sox. Houser is probably the best trade piece they have, and teams will be wary of giving up too much for a guy with only a short (and out of nowhere) history of success. Robert's return may better than we think but still not much. Other guys may net an interesting player or two. So, I would expect 4-6 players to be traded for modest returns with a couple interesting/promising prospects. Active, yes. Big returns, probably not. I think the Sox really will WANT to be active, but I think other sellers will have more attractive parts for sale. Even if Baltimore just backs up on their free agent types, they become the most interesting seller for sure. Could you also see some combination of the Reds, Cards, Dbacks and Giants see if they could sell high? They trail by 6 plus in their division races, and have a lot of teams at least 2.5 games ahead in the wild card standings. This next week could be huge for them. The Angels, Gards, Twins, and Royals sit very similar in the AL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Passan only has Robert at 22 and Houser at 31 in trade rankings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 7 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The casual fan is not running the team. Jerry is. Do you really think Jerry is going to approve Getz picking up Robert’s $20 million dollar option for next season after he has had two down years in a row? No, Robert is going the way of either Eloy or Moncada. He will likely be moved before the trade deadline. If somehow Robert is still on the Sox after the trade deadline, he will go the way of Moncada. His buyout will be picked up as soon as it can be and he will become a free agent. I mean, how can this even be in question for you?!? Just look at history. No. However, I would like us to offer a multi-year contract in the area of 4 years at $ 10 million per year. I realize that most here say he won't take it. That's fine...then trade him. But at least try to keep his potential at an affordable cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 16 minutes ago, poppysox said: No. However, I would like us to offer a multi-year contract in the area of 4 years at $ 10 million per year. I realize that most here say he won't take it. That's fine...then trade him. But at least try to keep his potential at an affordable cost. I just don’t see why he would take that. I’m sure Robert is eager to gtfo and get a fresh start anywhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 24 minutes ago, poppysox said: No. However, I would like us to offer a multi-year contract in the area of 4 years at $ 10 million per year. I realize that most here say he won't take it. That's fine...then trade him. But at least try to keep his potential at an affordable cost. 4 years at 10 million each for Robert? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) From Bowden today. Quote 7. Chicago White Sox (35-65) The White Sox have center fielder Luis Robert Jr. available once again — and there has been a lot of interest. Even though he’s batting only .201, he still has 10 homers and 25 stolen bases and plays plus defense in center field. A change of scenery could do him wonders and I think whoever lands him could end up getting a steal. Yes, it’s a gamble given what it might take to land even an underperforming Robert in this market, but he’s only 27 years old, has been playing on a losing team and has no help around him in the lineup. I love the fit for him in Philadelphia, New York (Mets) and Cincinnati, and think he would succeed in any of those environments. The White Sox could also offer veteran starters Adrian Houser and Aaron Civale in trades, as well as relievers like Steven Wilson and Dan Altavilla. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6505920/2025/07/21/mlb-trade-deadline-needs-targets-rumors/?source=emp_shared_article Edited July 21 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 12 minutes ago, DirtySox said: From Bowden today. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6505920/2025/07/21/mlb-trade-deadline-needs-targets-rumors/?source=emp_shared_article Please please please please stay healthy and productive over the next 10 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 When it comes to the playoffs, it’s a battle of the bullpens. Someone will buy high on Grant Taylor, so I would sell. We need bats. These might be pipe dreams, but one of… Cubs: Alcantara, Caissie Mets: Benge Phillies: Crawford, Miller Yankees: Jones Dodgers: DePaula, Hope, Quintero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 23 minutes ago, striker said: When it comes to the playoffs, it’s a battle of the bullpens. Someone will buy high on Grant Taylor, so I would sell. We need bats. These might be pipe dreams, but one of… Cubs: Alcantara, Caissie Mets: Benge Phillies: Crawford, Miller Yankees: Jones Dodgers: DePaula, Hope, Quintero Damn you’re already trading Taylor 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 30 minutes ago, striker said: When it comes to the playoffs, it’s a battle of the bullpens. Someone will buy high on Grant Taylor, so I would sell. We need bats. These might be pipe dreams, but one of… Cubs: Alcantara, Caissie Mets: Benge Phillies: Crawford, Miller Yankees: Jones Dodgers: DePaula, Hope, Quintero No one is giving up a top guy for a completely unproven Grant Taylor. There will be more proven guys on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 2 hours ago, hogan873 said: There's a difference between being active and getting big returns in trades. The Sox will be active because they have guys that can be at least useful to teams in contention, and those guys don't have a future with the Sox. Houser is probably the best trade piece they have, and teams will be wary of giving up too much for a guy with only a short (and out of nowhere) history of success. Robert's return may better than we think but still not much. Other guys may net an interesting player or two. So, I would expect 4-6 players to be traded for modest returns with a couple interesting/promising prospects. Active, yes. Big returns, probably not. That’s all my point is. Slater is a useful player who costs almost nothing money wise. Someone will be willing to give up something for him. Probably won’t be something all that special, but we should be taking wherever we can for him at this point given his lack of control. For whatever reason, Barfield was downplaying the likelihood of us making a lot of moves, which theoretically means we’re overplaying how much leverage we have in these convos. The reality is all the rental players should be traded for whatever you can get. Wilson has a couple years of control left, but I’d look to cash in now if I can get something of value for him because relievers are volatile and his track is far from sparkling. Tauchman is another possible exception where I need a piece above pure lottery ticket status to move him because of the his additional year of control, but we’re all probably taking a prospect in a system’s 16 to 25 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 58 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: No one is giving up a top guy for a completely unproven Grant Taylor. There will be more proven guys on the market. Dodgers have tons of OF depth in majors and minors. Do they use it for Taylor? Dunno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 9 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The casual fan is not running the team. Jerry is. Do you really think Jerry is going to approve Getz picking up Robert’s $20 million dollar option for next season after he has had two down years in a row? No, Robert is going the way of either Eloy or Moncada. He will likely be moved before the trade deadline. If somehow Robert is still on the Sox after the trade deadline, he will go the way of Moncada. His buyout will be picked up as soon as it can be and he will become a free agent. I mean, how can this even be in question for you?!? Just look at history. Your post truly makes me wonder why anybody would be nuts enough to follow this team. It's all about providing Jerry and generations of his family money. It has nothing to do with competition. Sad. We should treat this as a minor league team, check out a game once in a blue moon for grins. The Sox payroll is so low they could keep Robert easily even with cheapo Jerry in charge. ... Still probably 20-80 Mr. .202 batting average gets dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: I just don’t see why he would take that. I’m sure Robert is eager to gtfo and get a fresh start anywhere else. If Robert hits FA, I have little doubt some team offers him more than 10M on a one year prove it deal. He would be stupid to lock himself into a multi year contract at that rate, let alone sticking with a toxic org that basically wants him gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: That’s all my point is. Slater is a useful player who costs almost nothing money wise. Someone will be willing to give up something for him. Probably won’t be something all that special, but we should be taking wherever we can for him at this point given his lack of control. For whatever reason, Barfield was downplaying the likelihood of us making a lot of moves, which theoretically means we’re overplaying how much leverage we have in these convos. The reality is all the rental players should be traded for whatever you can get. Wilson has a couple years of control left, but I’d look to cash in now if I can get something of value for him because relievers are volatile and his track is far from sparkling. Tauchman is another possible exception where I need a piece above pure lottery ticket status to move him because of the his additional year of control, but we’re all probably taking a prospect in a system’s 16 to 25 range. Should be and will be are two different entities. That’s the whole counterpoint. I also think you are overestimating the value the Sox fodder has to other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 3 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said: Bowden suggests strong market exists for Robert despite his stats. Bowden is a clown and no one should pay any attention to anything he says. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 15 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Should be and will be are two different entities. That’s the whole counterpoint. I also think you are overestimating the value the Sox fodder has to other teams. See…this is exactly what I’m talking about. You refer to a guy who is currently 36% above league average against LHP as being “Sox fodder”. There are 295 players who have over 45 plate appearances against lefties this season and Slater ranks 64th amongst in wRC+. He’s right around the 80th percentile against LHP despite some bad batted ball luck this year and he has an incredibly strong track record against them to suggest it’s not a mirage. Factor in good corner OF defense and solid base-running and you have an attractive weak-side platoon OF that would be an upgrade for many teams. Him playing for the Sox doesn’t change any of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: See…this is exactly what I’m talking about. You refer to a guy who is currently 36% above league average against LHP as being “Sox fodder”. There are 295 players who have over 45 plate appearances against lefties this season and Slater ranks 64th amongst in wRC+. He’s right around the 80th percentile against LHP despite some bad batted ball luck this year and he has an incredibly strong track record against them to suggest it’s not a mirage. Factor in good corner OF defense and solid base-running and you have an attractive weak-side platoon OF that would be an upgrade for many teams. Him playing for the Sox doesn’t change any of that. I think we often look at things through whatever the opposite of rose-colored glasses is. Take away the jersey, look at the stats, and think about what that player could do for a contender. Tauchman, Slater, Houser, Wilson, and even M. Taylor and Robert could help other teams. I agree that other teams have similar and maybe even better players available, but the demand will most likely exceed the supply. The Sox probably won't get any surprise returns, but to discount their potential trade pieces as fodder is short-sighted. Edited July 21 by hogan873 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: 4 years at 10 million each for Robert? You can't have it both ways...either he isn't worth 10 M per year or he's much to good to accept that salary. You guys keep insisting we won't get squat and then will b**** when he goes elsewhere and reverts to his 2023 ways. Edited July 21 by poppysox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: That’s all my point is. Slater is a useful player who costs almost nothing money wise. Someone will be willing to give up something for him. Probably won’t be something all that special, but we should be taking wherever we can for him at this point given his lack of control. For whatever reason, Barfield was downplaying the likelihood of us making a lot of moves, which theoretically means we’re overplaying how much leverage we have in these convos. The reality is all the rental players should be traded for whatever you can get. Wilson has a couple years of control left, but I’d look to cash in now if I can get something of value for him because relievers are volatile and his track is far from sparkling. Tauchman is another possible exception where I need a piece above pure lottery ticket status to move him because of the his additional year of control, but we’re all probably taking a prospect in a system’s 16 to 25 range. Sorry, I have to ask. Would cash considerations fall into the “won’t be something all that special” category? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) 51 minutes ago, poppysox said: You can't have it both ways...either he isn't worth 10 M per year or he's much to good to accept that salary. You guys keep insisting we won't get squat and then will b**** when he goes elsewhere and reverts to his 2023 ways. $10 million a year is nothing these days in the MLB. Take a look at what Joc Pederson has earned since he turned 30. Edited July 21 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 36 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Sorry, I have to ask. Would cash considerations fall into the “won’t be something all that special” category? No, cash considerations would basically be a nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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