Quin Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: For context... I mean the shot at 7 seconds says it all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 I am not immensely enjoying the Guardians having a gambling scandal with a starter and their top tier closer no siree I do not exist solely for schadenfreude at all. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Taylor is eaxactly the type of player we would want to get for the rebuild. Thing is, we already have him. Just keep him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 It’s kind of funny that bettors who think they have a secret hook can never stfu so you get this scenario where over 300k was bet on Clase’ being wild on his first pitch and looked extremely suspicious lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I would think the Sox give Taylor a shot at starting next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s kind of funny that bettors who think they have a secret hook can never stfu so you get this scenario where over 300k was bet on Clase’ being wild on his first pitch and looked extremely suspicious lol Thanks for providing the background. I wasn’t sure what the video was trying to portray. Funny thing is if it happened with a Sox reliever, we would all just assume because they are wild as hell. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 21 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Thanks for providing the background. I wasn’t sure what the video was trying to portray. Funny thing is if it happened with a Sox reliever, we would all just assume because they are wild as hell. 🤣 You know what is funny and interesting though, is we all see this stuff every day and just think “wild first pitch nbd”. Think back to when (I think) Danny Farquhar realized the Astros were banging the trash cans and they had the signs. Think of how long it took from that moment to when the Astros were busted. There is always someone looking a little bit closer at everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Still pissed we don’t have one high end reliever to deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Still pissed we don’t have one high end reliever to deal. And that’s where getting a bunch of unique soft tosses was a flawed exercise, as well as the Booser failure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 8 minutes ago, fathom said: And that’s where getting a bunch of unique soft tosses was a flawed exercise, as well as the Booser failure Fully agree. The entire bullpen strategy has failed miserably. I get the budget was constrained, but throwing $5M at a semi-interesting relief arm always made more sense to me than signing Rojas and Taylor. And good those trades raise a lot of questions on Bannister. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Fully agree. The entire bullpen strategy has failed miserably. I get the budget was constrained, but throwing $5M at a semi-interesting relief arm always made more sense to me than signing Rojas and Taylor. And good those trades raise a lot of questions on Bannister. Why would cheap flyers on dumpster dives raise concerns about Bannister? Is he supposed to turn s%*# into gold on a regular basis ? The Sox are still a bad team but it's the bullpen that's actually better than the hitting and defense relative to the rest of the AL . Plus they got 2 good prospects from out of the blue with Shane Smith and Vasil . Plus the starting pitching hasn't been bad either with other outstanding pickups like Houser and Civale . Also Perez was pretty good before he got hurt and Burke, Cannon, and Martin all have mid to back end SP futures that plenty of teams would want . They could all be better than their projections. The bullpen kind of panned out the way I thought it would in the beginning of the season. The had a lot of arms to go through and they'd be trying them all out at some point and settle on some regular guys eventually. I think failed miserably is a huge exaggeration again relative to the budget constraints and performance compared to the rest of the league. Yes they are last in games saved and 1st on blown saves ( guessing on those things since last i heard) and that hurts in late inning trade bait and in the Sox record in 1 run games but a bullpen with Sox overall ERA in the middle of the AL would look a little better if the offense wasn't near or at the bottom in many categories. You're literally crucifying Bannister for not raising arms from the dead when everyone knows bullpens always perform erratically . Dodgers, Phillies, Yankees and Tigers BP ERA is worse than the White Sox. Sox are respectable 3.94 . Want to talk about failing miserably ? The Dodgers despite their hundreds of millions spent have worse Bullpen and starting pitcher ERAs than the Sox. Edited July 29 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 27 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Why would cheap flyers on dumpster dives raise concerns about Bannister? Is he supposed to turn s%*# into gold on a regular basis ? The Sox are still a bad team but it's the bullpen that's actually better than the hitting and defense relative to the rest of the AL . Plus they got 2 good prospects from out of the blue with Shane Smith and Vasil . Plus the starting pitching hasn't been bad either with other outstanding pickups like Houser and Civale . Also Perez was pretty good before he got hurt and Burke, Cannon, and Martin all have mid to back end SP futures that plenty of teams would want . They could all be better than their projections. The bullpen kind of panned out the way I thought it would in the beginning of the season. The had a lot of arms to go through and they'd be trying them all out at some point and settle on some regular guys eventually. I think failed miserably is a huge exaggeration again relative to the budget constraints and performance compared to the rest of the league. Yes they are last in games saved and 1st on blown saves ( guessing on those things since last i heard) and that hurts in late inning trade bait and in the Sox record in 1 run games but a bullpen with Sox overall ERA in the middle of the AL would look a little better if the offense wasn't near or at the bottom in many categories. You're literally crucifying Bannister for not raising arms from the dead when everyone knows bullpens always perform erratically . Dodgers, Phillies, Yankees and Tigers BP ERA is worse than the White Sox. Sox are respectable 3.94 . Want to talk about failing miserably ? The Dodgers despite their hundreds of millions spent have worse Bullpen and starting pitcher ERAs than the Sox. I’m referring to the trades in which we acquired Gilbert, Booser, etc. Bannister is clearly a pitching guru, but sometimes guys like that end up getting too cute and overthink things. Just felt like a questionable strategy that hasn’t really worked out so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m referring to the trades in which we acquired Gilbert, Booser, etc. Bannister is clearly a pitching guru, but sometimes guys like that end up getting too cute and overthink things. Just felt like a questionable strategy that hasn’t really worked out so far. Gilbert's fine. Booser hasn't worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m referring to the trades in which we acquired Gilbert, Booser, etc. Bannister is clearly a pitching guru, but sometimes guys like that end up getting too cute and overthink things. Just felt like a questionable strategy that hasn’t really worked out so far. You're always going to find off strategies when a team is bad when they have a guy like Bannister. I'm sure he was like well no better time to see if this might work than now. That's what thinking the game on a deeper level allows you to try on bad teams. . I doubt the trades you mentioned have no effect at all on the Sox future. To me it's wild that there's so much complaining over things of such little importance.Maybe the next crazy experiment works. But overall the BP was the least of the Sox worries this year. The team has shown a good amount of improvement with the arrival of the kids , none of whom are doing badly . They have good ABs, they take walks . I'm very encouraged by how this team has progressed under the new coaches. And they might get the 1-1 pick next year . This year has gone pretty well despite all the pitching injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 Pretty confident in say Grant Taylor would net a HAUL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 39 minutes ago, Rey21 said: Pretty confident in say Grant Taylor would net a HAUL I doubt that taylor would net a haul. I think that teams are trying to get him for the price of a reliever. However, they shouldn’t trade him for anything less than a haul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Rey21 said: Pretty confident in say Grant Taylor would net a HAUL I'd listen to offers if the starting point was "a haul." Edited July 30 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Mariners pitching prospect Jeter Martinez going to Pittsburgh, per source, in a deal that sends veteran lefty reliever Caleb Ferguson to Seattle. — Adam Jude (@A_Jude) July 30, 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Phillies about to get Duran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rey21 Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, GreenSox said: I doubt that taylor would net a haul. I think that teams are trying to get him for the price of a reliever. However, they shouldn’t trade him for anything less than a haul. If the Dodgers started an offer with De Paula / Zyhir Hope or Mariners Montes or Tigers said here's Max Clark Later Taylor and I don't think it's unrealistic that the Sox could get any of those guys back for the ceiling and long term control of Grant Taylor Edited July 30 by Rey21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Mets are not afraid to deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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