I’m tired of these types of posts

[champagne030]

15 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Somebody started a thread called something like, "how about we stop engaging in these two disproven narratives", and it's still brought up that some people think apologies were demanded for being angry. 

 

14 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

People think and say anything they want but until they start quoting actual posts as far as Im concerned it's just rumor mongering and gossip. 

Here it is and that is "demanding" an apology.

 

[Snopek]

6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

The glass half full side still doesn't  quite understand the width and breadth of anger still remaining out there.

Yeah I don’t think you get to decide that on their behalf.

I am definitely not in the glass half full crowd, but this idea that they are just simple and naive comes off as pretty condescending.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Snopek said:

Yeah I don’t think you get to decide that on their behalf.

I am definitely not in the glass half full crowd, but this idea that they are just simple and naive comes off as pretty condescending.

Do we ask for acknowledgement or recognition for every single positive post?

It's called reading the room.

Something just broke in the White Sox fanbase between 2022-23.

It became virtually impossible to still defend Sox ownership and general management practices.

Had moderators continued to do so...it would have come across like WSI leadership those last 2-3 years. They stubbornly adhered to their own version of "group think" until the very bitter end as they banned every single poster that didn't parrot their viewpoints.

And that was their choice...to light that board on fire instead of continuing to exist as a viable entity.

 

Edited August 28 by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, champagne030 said:

 

Here it is and that is "demanding" an apology.

 

Asking people to accept reality and stop repeating the wrong things isn't demanding an apology. That would look something like, "All you grumps owe the rest of us an apology", or reasonable facsimile. That is nowhere in the OP. 

The 2 things vilehoopser addressed are completely valid. The Sox will be better and win more games than 2024. Tauchman/Slater was back to back HRs by Getz. The end. 

[WestEddy]

32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Something just broke in the White Sox fanbase between 2022-23.

Something broke across all of baseball fandom. "Sell the team" chants happen in multiple cities. It's a national trend. It's not unique to the White Sox. Most fanbases hate their team's ownership. It's as normal as yelling out that the government sucks. 

As far as acknowledging "every single positive post", first of all, we're not talking about "positive" posts. We're talking about narratives that get pounded into our heads daily, here, like "the Sox dish on every player as they leave", or "Vargas isn't even a bench bat". 

[caulfield12]

41 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Asking people to accept reality and stop repeating the wrong things isn't demanding an apology. That would look something like, "All you grumps owe the rest of us an apology", or reasonable facsimile. That is nowhere in the OP. 

The 2 things vilehoopser addressed are completely valid. The Sox will be better and win more games than 2024. Tauchman/Slater was back to back HRs by Getz. The end. 

A home run would be Ramon Laureano's 900+ ops and outfield defense for just $4 million.

Getting something of real value back for Tauchman.

Hagen Smith or Schultz producing like Nick Kurtz, Konnor Griffin, Wetherholt, on the pitching side, etc.

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

A home run would be Ramon Laureano's 900+ ops and outfield defense for just $4 million.

Getting something of real value back for Tauchman.

Hagen Smith or Schultz producing like Nick Kurtz, Konnor Griffin, Wetherholt, on the pitching side, etc.

They got something of real value from Tauchman. 1.6 bWAR in 77 games. Weird how the people who wail about bad baseball don't consider good baseball players valuable. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Something broke across all of baseball fandom. "Sell the team" chants happen in multiple cities. It's a national trend. It's not unique to the White Sox. Most fanbases hate their team's ownership. It's as normal as yelling out that the government sucks. 

As far as acknowledging "every single positive post", first of all, we're not talking about "positive" posts. We're talking about narratives that get pounded into our heads daily, here, like "the Sox dish on every player as they leave", or "Vargas isn't even a bench bat". 

The fact that you believe that White Sox fan animosity is in line with other franchises, especially towards their owner, is where youre just incredibly wrong.

What is happening here is not the same. As I've noted many times. I have been surrounded by sox fans my entire life. 90% of those people today are not watching or following the franchise. That is catastrophic. Heck look at the poster counts here. 

You all are free to feel how you want, but comparing the status of white sox fans to that of other fans who are frustrated with a signing or move is juat naive. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

3 hours ago, Snopek said:

Yeah I don’t think you get to decide that on their behalf.

I am definitely not in the glass half full crowd, but this idea that they are just simple and naive comes off as pretty condescending.

Pal you've spent the past year belittling anyone who felt negative about the team. Im not sure how youre not a glass half full guy. If youre not, then i guess you just like belittling people who feel the same way as you??

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Something broke across all of baseball fandom. "Sell the team" chants happen in multiple cities. It's a national trend. It's not unique to the White Sox. Most fanbases hate their team's ownership. It's as normal as yelling out that the government sucks. 

As far as acknowledging "every single positive post", first of all, we're not talking about "positive" posts. We're talking about narratives that get pounded into our heads daily, here, like "the Sox dish on every player as they leave", or "Vargas isn't even a bench bat". 

44 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They got something of real value from Tauchman. 1.6 bWAR in 77 games. Weird how the people who wail about bad baseball don't consider good baseball players valuable. 

See, this is where you use too much hyperbole.  I don’t recall anyone saying that Vargas isn’t even a bench bat.  But he’s probably a bench bat on a good team right now, unless he improves further.  Also, it’s difficult to get excited about Tauchman.  It’s great that he has a 1.6 bWAR in 77 games but you just also pointed out his downside of getting injured as much as Robert, likely because he is old.

He’ll be 35 in the offseason and definitely won’t be on the next contending Sox team.  These probably aren’t two players that are helping the Sox win a World Series.  Also remember, two actual contending teams dumped both of these guys.

Getting “real value” for some of these guys when they won’t be traded for any valuable prospects or contribute to a playoff team just doesn’t get many fans excited like you.

Edited August 28 by WhiteSox2023

[WhiteSox2023]

18 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The fact that you believe that White Sox fan animosity is in line with other franchises, especially towards their owner, is where youre just incredibly wrong.

What is happening here is not the same. As I've noted many times. I have been surrounded by sox fans my entire life. 90% of those people today are not watching or following the franchise. That is catastrophic. Heck look at the poster counts here. 

You all are free to feel how you want, but comparing the status of white sox fans to that of other fans who are frustrated with a signing or move is juat naive. 

Definitely.  Just more hyperbole — “There’s other bad teams in baseball and fans that are upset about their teams, just like Sox fans!”  Sure, but how many other teams are on pace for their third straight 100 loss season?  The Sox are at the pinnacle of being BAD.

But he will just respond with — “I don’t care how many games the Sox lose.  They are in a rebuild!”  As if all Sox fans should feel the same way as him and are completely shortsighted if they don’t.

Edited August 28 by WhiteSox2023

[Tony]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Asking people to accept reality and stop repeating the wrong things isn't demanding an apology. That would look something like, "All you grumps owe the rest of us an apology", or reasonable facsimile. That is nowhere in the OP. 

The 2 things vilehoopser addressed are completely valid. The Sox will be better and win more games than 2024. Tauchman/Slater was back to back HRs by Getz. The end. 

I'm a little confused by your overall logic here. 

You have stated multiple times, in multiple threads, you don't care at all about what the Sox record is during a rebuild. Ok, I can run with that logic (to a degree)

Yesterday, in the Robert thread, in regards to his overall value and what he means to the Sox, you said this:

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Next year, you probably have Brooks Baldwin, Teel/Lee and Bryan Ramos (or player moved by Ramos) looking for OF innings. I don't think it would be insane to not pick up the option for next year. I imagine they will, and all that will do is smoosh a couple of deserving young players into a single OF position. 

In this thread, you're claiming Mike Tauchman was a "home run signing by Getz"

The Sox signed Tauchman to a one year deal in 2025, although he is still arb eligible for next year, during his age 35 season. As we know, he was not moved at the deadline. 

The Sox have been very bad in 2025, and 2026 will most likely have similar results as it relates to the W-L column. Or at the very least, 2026 will still be considered a "rebuilding year." 

So if the Sox elect to bring Mike Tauchman back in 2026, at 35 years old, he would be "smooshing a couple of deserving young players" by getting playing time, and if they elected to keep him but make him a bench player, his value would be minimal at best on the trade market. 

He put up a solid 2025 campaign, nothing exceptional (and he was better for the Cubs in 2023) but a fine season. But given everything above, I'm not sure how we're classifying it as a "home run" signing. 

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, Tony said:

I'm a little confused by your overall logic here. 

You have stated multiple times, in multiple threads, you don't care at all about what the Sox record is during a rebuild. Ok, I can run with that logic (to a degree)

Yesterday, in the Robert thread, in regards to his overall value and what he means to the Sox, you said this:

In this thread, you're claiming Mike Tauchman was a "home run signing by Getz"

The Sox signed Tauchman to a one year deal in 2025, although he is still arb eligible for next year, during his age 35 season. As we know, he was not moved at the deadline. 

The Sox have been very bad in 2025, and 2026 will most likely have similar results as it relates to the W-L column. Or at the very least, 2026 will still be considered a "rebuilding year." 

So if the Sox elect to bring Mike Tauchman back in 2026, at 35 years old, he would be "smooshing a couple of deserving young players" by getting playing time, and if they elected to keep him but make him a bench player, his value would be minimal at best on the trade market. 

He put up a solid 2025 campaign, nothing exceptional (and he was better for the Cubs in 2023) but a fine season. But given everything above, I'm not sure how we're classifying it as a "home run" signing. 

A 35 year old on a one year deal, on a team going for their 3rd straight 100 loss season,  is a "home run" signing if you can turn him into at least one usable player with six years of control.  The idea that this was a huge win because we got somewhere around 2 WAR out of a player who will be most likely playing with his grandkids by this time this is even a .500 team again isn't focused on the future at all.  Ironically in  one post, it doesn't matter how many games we lose because we are rebuilding, but then the next up short term results of a short term player who has returned nothing for the time when this franchise can start to win again is a home run?  If it is a home run to get 2 WAR out of Tauchman this year, it was an embarrassment to lose 100 games.  If this season doesn't matter for losses, than the results of Tauchman within those 100 losses, can't be a win, unless he returns someone who can be a win when the wins actually matter.  It is either about now, or later.

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, Tony said:

I'm a little confused by your overall logic here. 

You have stated multiple times, in multiple threads, you don't care at all about what the Sox record is during a rebuild. Ok, I can run with that logic (to a degree)

Yesterday, in the Robert thread, in regards to his overall value and what he means to the Sox, you said this:

In this thread, you're claiming Mike Tauchman was a "home run signing by Getz"

The Sox signed Tauchman to a one year deal in 2025, although he is still arb eligible for next year, during his age 35 season. As we know, he was not moved at the deadline. 

The Sox have been very bad in 2025, and 2026 will most likely have similar results as it relates to the W-L column. Or at the very least, 2026 will still be considered a "rebuilding year." 

So if the Sox elect to bring Mike Tauchman back in 2026, at 35 years old, he would be "smooshing a couple of deserving young players" by getting playing time, and if they elected to keep him but make him a bench player, his value would be minimal at best on the trade market. 

He put up a solid 2025 campaign, nothing exceptional (and he was better for the Cubs in 2023) but a fine season. But given everything above, I'm not sure how we're classifying it as a "home run" signing. 

1) care about record - It's a rebuild. I'm not going to wail about 100 loss seasons, or another losing record, or losses over the last 3 years. Yes, I would like them to be improving, which, I guess, is "caring" about win-loss record. It's not a major concern in my life where I have to express, on a daily basis, that I actively angry about something I can't control. 

2a) Tauchman/Slater HRs - Yes, he filled RF for the first time in about 8 years with players who put up around 2 bWAR, for a minimal amount of money. That's phenomenal. 

2b) Tauchman was signed for 2025. That he's even being considered to bring back next year is a positive. If he's a bench piece, that still works. If he's traded in the off-season, as good. If they just non-tender him, not the most optimal choice, but he still brought value in 2025. Stabilized RF and brought veteran leadership. I'm not sure how anybody can portray what he brought to the team this season as less than a huge positive. 

I don't really know what's confusing about this. Should I have called it a triple? Should I have said, "Getz didn't deserve his job, and the jury's still out, but Tauchman was a slight positive in 2015"? It seems like a pretty simple concept to me. Getz filled RF with around 2 bWAR for a very small amount of money. I don't generally see people making the guy explain how he thinks Getz is too stupid to even evaluate baseball players, or making people square up "Reinsdorf will never sign a free agent again" with the payrolls he ran when the team was winning. 

Tauchman and Slater were great signings. 

[WestEddy]

33 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Definitely.  Just more hyperbole — “There’s other bad teams in baseball and fans that are upset about their teams, just like Sox fans!”  Sure, but how many other teams are on pace for their third straight 100 loss season?  The Sox are at the pinnacle of being BAD.

But he will just respond with — “I don’t care how many games the Sox lose.  They are in a rebuild!”  As if all Sox fans should feel the same way as him and are completely shortsighted if they don’t.

As if? LOL. When it's put to me like I should feel shame because of whatever BS you decide I should feel ashamed of today, I respond that I don't really care about what they lose this year. Do I care? Sure, I'd like them to win more than they are. I really don't care you feel. You seem to get rankled by somebody being slightly positive about a player's value (Gavin Sheets as a lefty bench bat), then feel the need to troll on a daily basis in multiple threads that his latest hot streak is over. 

Please tell me you don't think Sox fans are angrier than Oakland Athletics' fans. Or Pirate fans. That, my friend, is myopic and naive. 

[wrathofhahn]

On 8/27/2025 at 10:37 AM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Reddit?  The place you can go to for uncensored shark attack videos that are in the news?  God knows what else is on that hell hole.  Not the best site to use to make your point.

People use Reddit as an echo chamber to get other people to agree with them, and it is nearly always closed to those who might disagree. The awful upvoting system only makes the hive mentality of those who post there stronger. Personally, I think that is the problem with social media in general; it's a place where miserable people seek affirmation rather than actually engaging in worthwhile discussions.

I personally avoid social media completely, and I urge everyone to follow suit. Talk to real people and get outside and touch the grass. You'll lead a much fuller and richer life.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

44 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Definitely.  Just more hyperbole — “There’s other bad teams in baseball and fans that are upset about their teams, just like Sox fans!”  Sure, but how many other teams are on pace for their third straight 100 loss season?  The Sox are at the pinnacle of being BAD.

But he will just respond with — “I don’t care how many games the Sox lose.  They are in a rebuild!”  As if all Sox fans should feel the same way as him and are completely shortsighted if they don’t.

What I cant grasp is two of our optimists are people who said they stopped following the Bulls and Bears because of incompetence, but they don't understand why someone would feel broke by the Sox. The Bulls and Bears have their challenges, but both franchises are light years ahead of where the white sox currently sit.

[WhiteSox2023]

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

As if? LOL. When it's put to me like I should feel shame because of whatever BS you decide I should feel ashamed of today, I respond that I don't really care about what they lose this year. Do I care? Sure, I'd like them to win more than they are. I really don't care you feel. You seem to get rankled by somebody being slightly positive about a player's value (Gavin Sheets as a lefty bench bat), then feel the need to troll on a daily basis in multiple threads that his latest hot streak is over. 

Please tell me you don't think Sox fans are angrier than Oakland Athletics' fans. Or Pirate fans. That, my friend, is myopic and naive. 

Where did I say that Sox fans are angrier than Athletics or Pirates fans?  What I did say is that the Sox have been even better at being BAD than both of those teams — they are on pace for three straight 100 loss seasons.  Even the Athletics and Pirates couldn’t manage to reach the pinnacle of that level of BAD.

You also had an earlier post in which you said that many team’s fans hate their team, etc., etc. and then named two teams outside the Sox.  That isn’t a majority.

[WhiteSox2023]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

What I cant grasp is two of our optimists are people who said they stopped following the Bulls and Bears because of incompetence, but they don't understand why someone would feel broke by the Sox. The Bulls and Bears have their challenges, but both franchises are light years ahead of where the white sox currently sit.

Great point.  I believe I do remember WE saying that about other Chicago sports teams.  But I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt — perhaps he just likes baseball more than other sports so he is more invested in the Sox.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

As if? LOL. When it's put to me like I should feel shame because of whatever BS you decide I should feel ashamed of today, I respond that I don't really care about what they lose this year. Do I care? Sure, I'd like them to win more than they are. I really don't care you feel. You seem to get rankled by somebody being slightly positive about a player's value (Gavin Sheets as a lefty bench bat), then feel the need to troll on a daily basis in multiple threads that his latest hot streak is over. 

Please tell me you don't think Sox fans are angrier than Oakland Athletics' fans. Or Pirate fans. That, my friend, is myopic and naive. 

The Oakland a's aren't the Oakland a's anymore because of how mismanaged the organization had become. The fanhood dwindled down over years and became irrelevant. Thats the path this organization is dangerously walking along. 

Congratulations. The Sox fans are in line with a team who moved cities before even having a city ready, and the Pirates who are a dead franchise. 

[Lip Man 1]

This is all you need to know about the state of this franchise.

The optimists are celebrating things that good franchises wouldn't even take a second look at because they expect excellence.

The pessimists are (and I'm one of them) are so far down having seen basically nothing but incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness since the start of the 2007 season that they have little to no hope until the stench of JR has been removed.

That's some situation isn't it?

[WestEddy]

23 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

but they don't understand why someone would feel broke by the Sox.

I don't think a single person on this board has said this. You're not only choosing a strawman to fight you're picking one with no arms. 

If I remember correctly, you're the one who is perpetually perplexed by the people who aren't regularly enraged. 

[WestEddy]

26 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Where did I say that Sox fans are angrier than Athletics or Pirates fans?  What I did say is that the Sox have been even better at being BAD than both of those teams — they are on pace for three straight 100 loss seasons.  Even the Athletics and Pirates couldn’t manage to reach the pinnacle of that level of BAD.

You also had an earlier post in which you said that many team’s fans hate their team, etc., etc. and then named two teams outside the Sox.  That isn’t a majority.

Oh, I didn't name every single team in all of sports whose fans hate the owner? I then challenge you to name every single Sox fan who is angry. Go ahead. I'll wait. Don't miss any. 

[WestEddy]

24 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Congratulations. The Sox fans are in line with a team who moved cities before even having a city ready, and the Pirates who are a dead franchise. 

Again, nobody said they're "in line". Unless a team is winning a championship, there's a sizeable part of the fanbase that hates the owner. That's just the way sports are, now. So, congratulations. You just implied that the Sox are in line with the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs. 

[WestEddy]

7 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

This is all you need to know about the state of this franchise.

The optimists are celebrating things that good franchises wouldn't even take a second look at because they expect excellence.

The pessimists are (and I'm one of them) are so far down having seen basically nothing but incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness since the start of the 2007 season that they have little to no hope until the stench of JR has been removed.

That's some situation isn't it?

If all you need to know about a franchise is the expectations of a couple of commentors on an online chat board, I would proffer that you have no gauge on what one needs to know about a franchise.