15 hours ago, hi8is said:

Emerson we’d be banking on our development staff having their time to mold him into a player that has more output than Roch but I’m not willing to take that gamble with this staff nor do I want to wait for at least an extra year when our window is already open.

I’m going to be on the edge of my seat until Saturday and really hope whatever happens - it ends up being the right draft selection. We’ve missed high in the first round more than we have hit and at 1.1 you CANNOT afford to miss.

Just want to point out that Bonemer will be ready next year to take a spot; Emerson should extend the window....a window that should be open a decade + (unless we start doing stupid stuff).
One thing I prefer about Roch is that he bats right... right handed hitting proficiency is becoming a scarce commodity.

Edited Monday at 07:17 PM2 days by GreenSox

I wonder what happened to that catcher. That was also the start of the Wes Kath era. 2021 draft.

11 minutes ago, oldsox said:

I wonder what happened to that catcher. That was also the start of the Wes Kath era. 2021 draft.

Henry Davis?

7 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

"well past" the key phrasing there

10 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

So... he's going to grow into tools? Color me skeptical.

Bobby Witt clearly had elite tools, not just top-tier skills. I don't understand why anyone compares the two outside of them both playing for Rusty Greer. Witt had a better arm, better glove, better speed, and more immediate and projectable power. He also was more likely to get to his hit tool because he had 80 speed. Bobby had THREE carrying tools, and Emerson has... zero?

Also, Bobby had his full-year of pro-ball wiped out because of COVID.

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

So... he's going to grow into tools? Color me skeptical.

Bobby Witt clearly had elite tools, not just top-tier skills. I don't understand why anyone compares the two outside of them both playing for Rusty Greer. Witt had a better arm, better glove, better speed, and more immediate and projectable power. He also was more likely to get to his hit tool because he had 80 speed. Bobby had THREE carrying tools, and Emerson has... zero?

Also, Bobby had his full-year of pro-ball wiped out because of COVID.

Now Emerson doesn’t have a high end hit tool?

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Now Emerson doesn’t have a high end hit tool?

Is his hit tool a carrying tool? I haven't seen it graded as a 70 anywhere, but maybe it is. I've said before, I don't pretend to have scouted Emerson.

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Now Emerson doesn’t have a high end hit tool?

Projected somewhere/anywhere south of Bruce Harper...depending on who you talk to.

Scouting Grades: He has received grades of Hit: 65, Power: 55, Run: 55, Arm: 60, Field: 60, Overall: 65

Future Projection:
As Emerson continues to fill out physically, scouts expect his power to become more consistent. He projects to develop average to above-average power, potentially translating to 15–20+ home runs per season at the professional level once fully mature.

Edited yesterday at 01:55 PM1 day by caulfield12

3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Is his hit tool a carrying tool? I haven't seen it graded as a 70 anywhere, but maybe it is. I've said before, I don't pretend to have scouted Emerson.

I think, if you like him, the carrying tool is his hit tool. Obviously, that's a tough one to project, so if you don't like him, you focus on everything else which is closer to 50s across the card. So, as with all preps, there's some risk here. At PG National last year, he was the consensus top guy in the class. No one else really close, but on pure tools outside of Hit, Lombard has him beat. Elijah Green had a lot of tools too, though. Hit is an absolutely critical tool.

"While homeruns are yet to decorate the baseball card, most think Emerson should have no trouble growing into 20+ homerun output, potentially more as he continues to fill into his frame. Emerson has a chance to age into a special hitter if it can all click, a true hit and power threat.

Defensively, Emerson has fully addressed the concerns of him sticking at shortstop as he now showcases plus arm strength across the diamond, solid range and a strong internal clock on top of being a plus runner. Most think he could end up a plus glove at third base, but he's got a strong chance to develop into at least and above average shortstop long term."

I believe Emerson is 6'3 also, he could end up being a huge dude in his 20s, he's a bit wiry at 185, but I could see him ending up at like 205 when it's all said and done

or he could be Chris Sale 😂

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Projected somewhere/anywhere south of Bruce Harper...depending on who you talk to.

Scouting Grades: He has received grades of Hit: 65, Power: 55, Run: 55, Arm: 60, Field: 60, Overall: 65

Future Projection:
As Emerson continues to fill out physically, scouts expect his power to become more consistent. He projects to develop average to above-average power, potentially translating to 15–20+ home runs per season at the professional level once fully mature.

Honestly - 15-20 home run power would suck at a #1 pick

27 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Honestly - 15-20 home run power would suck at a #1 pick

More like a John Olerud or Mark Grace...Jacob Gonzalez might actually be closer to 12-15.

14 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Honestly - 15-20 home run power would suck at a #1 pick

Roch is only half a grade higher on the power. Emerson is a grade and a half higher on the hit. Obviously we are projecting here, but it comes down to what you value more.

There is definitely more risk with Grady if the hit tool comes in light where Roch can fall-back on that stellar defensive profile from a value standpoint.

Edited yesterday at 03:24 PM1 day by DirtySox

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Is his hit tool a carrying tool? I haven't seen it graded as a 70 anywhere, but maybe it is. I've said before, I don't pretend to have scouted Emerson.

I don’t disagree with the rest of your assessment by the way. But the reason Emerson is in the mix for the 1.01 is because of his hit tool.

Going to be livid if we draft Emerson. While I have concerns with Cholowsky, at least he has a track record of facing advanced competition. Same with Lackey. Drafting a prep player 1-1 who doesn't look like a high school version of Shohei is just far too speculative for my taste. 1-1 should be reserved for a player you know, with 80%+ confidence, can get to the bigs relatively quickly and become a constant in the lineup/rotation.

Lackey

Cholo (wood bat struggles concern me)

Emerson

51 minutes ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

Going to be livid if we draft Emerson. While I have concerns with Cholowsky, at least he has a track record of facing advanced competition. Same with Lackey. Drafting a prep player 1-1 who doesn't look like a high school version of Shohei is just far too speculative for my taste. 1-1 should be reserved for a player you know, with 80%+ confidence, can get to the bigs relatively quickly and become a constant in the lineup/rotation.

Lackey

Cholo (wood bat struggles concern me)

Emerson

Callis was on the score this morning and said something I never really considered. He said Cholowsky could have come out after high school and would likely have been a high round if not high first round pick, but not 1 overall. Emerson on the other hand is coming out as 1:1 or 1:2. A lot of picking him rides on your trust in developing him though, there is no ifs ands or buts about it, you have to show this kid how to be a professional and provide him the necessary support the entire way

18 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Callis was on the score this morning and said something I never really considered. He said Cholowsky could have come out after high school and would likely have been a high round if not high first round pick, but not 1 overall. Emerson on the other hand is coming out as 1:1 or 1:2. A lot of picking him rides on your trust in developing him though, there is no ifs ands or buts about it, you have to show this kid how to be a professional and provide him the necessary support the entire way

Yea that has been his perspective when comparing the two for some time now and it helps land the point…

However, of the three Emerson scares me the most and has the likely longest timeline to the bigs.

No thanks.

Some dude on X named Chris Gonzalez who is a chisox podcast host claims to have heard from Ozzie’s camp that the pick will be Roch and that he was told a month ago that this is already locked in.

Seems doubtful but if it is legit then all of the reporting we have seen is posturing… and that certainly seems plausible.

Just don't pick a High School kid number one overall.

23 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Some dude on X named Chris Gonzalez who is a chisox podcast host claims to have heard from Ozzie’s camp that the pick will be Roch and that he was told a month ago that this is already locked in.

Seems doubtful but if it is legit then all of the reporting we have seen is posturing… and that certainly seems plausible.

I think that's probably true. With Colsons back acting up which can really affect performance at SS as we have seen recently they may need a legit SS who also has a solid bat in a year or two. I think all this stuff people have been hearing about Emerson is smoke designed to save some money on Roch.

This is also a very risk averse organization under JR and I feel that almost certainly would want to go with a higher floor decent to good cost controlled major leaguer that they can plug and play in a year or two. I'm sure Getz is also acutely aware that when JR leaves the scene m, if he blew a 1-1on a high risk high reward HS player that might not be a great look when Ishbia evaluates whether to keep him.

I dont mind either Emerson or Roch but I'd be surprised if the Sox roll the dice when they don't usually operate that way.

Edited yesterday at 07:31 PM1 day by SoCalChiSox

4 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Honestly - 15-20 home run power would suck at a #1 pick

This.