10 hours ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Would be funny if they took Landon Thome and Joseph Contreras in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or vice versa.

fine by me

8 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

fine by me

Yup. They are legit propsects and should go in that range.

Edited Thursday at 01:48 PM5 days by DirtySox

10 hours ago, Lukakke Appling said:

I think Shirley has punted rounds 9 and 10 every draft, so it’s a safe bet he’ll do it again.

1 hour ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Sure, indeed. Roch Cholowski has and had a degree of hype behind him that is basically unprecedented. So, that’s the disconnect within this discussion. Some air has been leaking from the hype balloon is all. Hype of this kind of magnitude is usually ceiling based. Here , we have high floor hype

Tim Elko was one of those punted picks. It's just the wrong way to look at the draft. I always put the players in order by signing bonus. Many players taken in rounds 11-20 are more highly regarded than guys in 7-10. If you want a player that is signing for $50K, it makes sense to do it rounds 7-10 and re-allocate that bonus pool space. Everyone in rounds 11-20 can get $150K without penalty. It's just important to understand how the draft and bonus pools work.

Roch Cholowsky has an incredibly high ceiling too. Perennial All Star SS with plus defense is his ceiling. The reason why the floor argument comes into play is that he's a definite big leaguer but I also believe that he's the most likely guy to reach his high ceiling. Jacob Lombard has a higher ceiling. He also has a way more difficult path to actually reaching that immense ceiling. Taking Roch Cholowsky is a no brainer for me.

33 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

fine by me

It's such a PR win. Kids of hometown heroes + prospects.

5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Tim Elko was one of those punted picks. It's just the wrong way to look at the draft. I always put the players in order by signing bonus. Many players taken in rounds 11-20 are more highly regarded than guys in 7-10. If you want a player that is signing for $50K, it makes sense to do it rounds 7-10 and re-allocate that bonus pool space. Everyone in rounds 11-20 can get $150K without penalty. It's just important to understand how the draft and bonus pools work.

Roch Cholowsky has an incredibly high ceiling too. Perennial All Star SS with plus defense is his ceiling. The reason why the floor argument comes into play is that he's a definite big leaguer but I also believe that he's the most likely guy to reach his high ceiling. Jacob Lombard has a higher ceiling. He also has a way more difficult path to actually reaching that immense ceiling. Taking Roch Cholowsky is a no brainer for me.

Not wanting to take Roch is the definition of the "my steak is too tender and my lobster too buttery" meme. A ton of people seem to assume

1) Emerson will magically turn into a CF

2) Colson, Meidroth, Vargas and Murakami are all locked in here for the next decade. Let's remember that the Sox took Colson when they had an All-Star SS.

1 hour ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Sure, indeed. Roch Cholowski has and had a degree of hype behind him that is basically unprecedented. So, that’s the disconnect within this discussion. Some air has been leaking from the hype balloon is all. Hype of this kind of magnitude is usually ceiling based. Here , we have high floor hype

Eh, it's more like American attention spans on to the next shiney thing.

3 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Tim Elko was one of those punted picks. It's just the wrong way to look at the draft. I always put the players in order by signing bonus. Many players taken in rounds 11-20 are more highly regarded than guys in 7-10. If you want a player that is signing for $50K, it makes sense to do it rounds 7-10 and re-allocate that bonus pool space. Everyone in rounds 11-20 can get $150K without penalty. It's just important to understand how the draft and bonus pools work.

Roch Cholowsky has an incredibly high ceiling too. Perennial All Star SS with plus defense is his ceiling. The reason why the floor argument comes into play is that he's a definite big leaguer but I also believe that he's the most likely guy to reach his high ceiling. Jacob Lombard has a higher ceiling. He also has a way more difficult path to actually reaching that immense ceiling. Taking Roch Cholowsky is a no brainer for me.

I’m aware of all that. Maybe “punted” is the wrong term, as it implies they’re just throw-away picks. I meant just money savers. Elko was one you mentioned. I think Franklin, Ellard, and Adisyn were “punt” picks too and they’re not nothing. Just money savers on limited ceiling or limited upside guys.

2 hours ago, Lukakke Appling said:

I’m aware of all that. Maybe “punted” is the wrong term, as it implies they’re just throw-away picks. I meant just money savers. Elko was one you mentioned. I think Franklin, Ellard, and Adisyn were “punt” picks too and they’re not nothing. Just money savers on limited ceiling or limited upside guys.

Dude thinks if you go underslot it destroys your draft.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

Dude thinks if you go underslot it destroys your draft.

I don’t even know who you’re referring to anymore lol. I get my threads all mixed up and I’m too lazy to go reread everything.

8 hours ago, Quin said:

It's such a PR win. Kids of hometown heroes + prospects.

Not wanting to take Roch is the definition of the "my steak is too tender and my lobster too buttery" meme. A ton of people seem to assume

1) Emerson will magically turn into a CF

2) Colson, Meidroth, Vargas and Murakami are all locked in here for the next decade. Let's remember that the Sox took Colson when they had an All-Star SS.

Still, pretty substantial difference between a pick in the twenties vs 1-1/2/3.

On 5/19/2026 at 4:38 AM, Buehrle>Wood said:

Greg said he cant access the site since they did the remodel of it. Im guessing that is true for quite a few posters. I know I can barely get on it. I wish there were a way to fix it.

Edited Friday at 02:14 AM5 days by greg775
wrong thread

3 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Hi guys. First time I've been able to log on since six weeks or so I think. My cookies don't work or whatever.

Before it doesn't work again for me ... my early impressions of course are very favorable. I realize I have hated our rebuilds but I have to give credit where it is due. Getz may be the answer. I still haven't returned to mlb.com but I watch the highlights and we have definitely got some 'amazing' lift and pull guys in Muni, Colson and Vargas. I personally am a fan of Antonnucci (sp?). And I've always liked Meidroth and I've never been a Beni hater. I also like the Savannah Bananas guy. In other words, with three power hitters minimum (I like our catchers too, way to bomb it Quero) I think we can stay in the Central race all year. That's because with pitchers only going 3-4 innings max I think we have enough bodies to do enough on a given night for us to win.

I don't know enuf about our pitchers still. Our closer seems good. Martin has a 1.61 ERA. I'll learn more about them as the summer progresses.

Since this may be the only chance for me to post since my computer hasn't been able to connect, let me say I'm hopeful the rebuilding is over. I'm starting to think Getz may be outstanding. Muri is the find of the decade. The Cub series was awesome and exciting.

I am thinking from listening to highights our play by play guy still is annoying.

If anybody has suggestions for me to be able to log on let me know. It's hard going cold turkey on the site, but there's some guy on X who posts a lot about the Sox and a couple facebook guys do it so I've been able to get my fix so to speak a little bit.

If you missed greg, thanks. If you hate greg, that's your prerogative. GO SOX. GO GETZ. The rebuilding may be finished tra la tra la.

Agreed with pretty much everything but Getz being outstanding based solely on Vargas for the moment (and Mune as well) and Grant Taylor is likely the new closer over Dominguez (10/13).

On 5/21/2026 at 12:05 PM, Lukakke Appling said:

I’m aware of all that. Maybe “punted” is the wrong term, as it implies they’re just throw-away picks. I meant just money savers. Elko was one you mentioned. I think Franklin, Ellard, and Adisyn were “punt” picks too and they’re not nothing. Just money savers on limited ceiling or limited upside guys.

The MLB Draft is a different animal because you have to play the bonus game. It is what it is, and everyone does it.

That being said, taking a 23 year old senior in the 10th round and giving him $35K is punting the pick but that's just what you need to do. Much like Jimmy said, don't look at rounds its the signing bonus that really matters.

The Sox got 23 games (so far) out of a player they probably never expected to see in the big leagues, so not bad.

This video is a great summary of why Roch goes 1.1 and it only goes to one side of his game. Dude makes this competition look easy where most others ( big leaguers, top prospects, top draft picks, etc ) usually struggle:

Say what you want about Bauer but the dude still can expose a lot about a hitters approach, holes, current skillset, approach, and more.

Highly suggested watch.

is vahn lackey facing the same kind of competition as cholowsky? batting .400 is kind of mind boggling.

Edited Sunday at 02:05 PM2 days by zisk
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2 hours ago, zisk said:

is vahn lackey facing the same kind of competition as cholowsky? batting .400 is kind of mind boggling.

Harder

On 5/21/2026 at 6:46 AM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Tim Elko was one of those punted picks. It's just the wrong way to look at the draft. I always put the players in order by signing bonus. Many players taken in rounds 11-20 are more highly regarded than guys in 7-10. If you want a player that is signing for $50K, it makes sense to do it rounds 7-10 and re-allocate that bonus pool space. Everyone in rounds 11-20 can get $150K without penalty. It's just important to understand how the draft and bonus pools work.

Roch Cholowsky has an incredibly high ceiling too. Perennial All Star SS with plus defense is his ceiling. The reason why the floor argument comes into play is that he's a definite big leaguer but I also believe that he's the most likely guy to reach his high ceiling. Jacob Lombard has a higher ceiling. He also has a way more difficult path to actually reaching that immense ceiling. Taking Roch Cholowsky is a no brainer for me.

I think people just wonder why Roch is not hitting .400 like Lackey is, as noted above, against easier pitching. As I was mentioning, hype is leaking off his previously hyped profile a number of months ago. If Roch had the same physical package as Justin Lebron does, plus Roch’s current production, the hype would likely still be intact.

3 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

I think people just wonder why Roch is not hitting .400 like Lackey is, as noted above, against easier pitching. As I was mentioning, hype is leaking off his previously hyped profile a number of months ago. If Roch had the same physical package as Justin Lebron does, plus Roch’s current production, the hype would likely still be intact.

Again though, he had basically the same season as last year and he was the hunted this time.

56 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Again though, he had basically the same season as last year and he was the hunted this time.

But he likes the Gigantes more!!!

5 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Again though, he had basically the same season as last year and he was the hunted this time.

Life comes at you fast. Can’t be sitting still at an older age when these young kids are coming up showing out and expect not to be challenged for the top. Even still being the favorite.

Edited Monday at 04:49 AM2 days by Chick Mercedes

10 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Again though, he had basically the same season as last year and he was the hunted this time.

He's now been 13% worse than last year. At some point we can't keep saying he's had the same season as last. Meanwhile, Lackey has been 20% better (even more when you adjust for the conference) than Roch offensively so far.

Henry Davis the last position player to go #1 who had a worse junior year than sophomore. It's not unprecedented, but it's less common than the other way around.

47 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

He's now been 13% worse than last year. At some point we can't keep saying he's had the same season as last. Meanwhile, Lackey has been 20% better (even more when you adjust for the conference) than Roch offensively so far.

Henry Davis the last position player to go #1 who had a worse junior year than sophomore. It's not unprecedented, but it's less common than the other way around.

This is extremely disingenuous to say when Roch Cholowsky had the sophomore year that he had. Go look at Vahn Lackey's sophomore season. No s%*# he improved on it. What are we doing?

42 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

This is extremely disingenuous to say when Roch Cholowsky had the sophomore year that he had. Go look at Vahn Lackey's sophomore season. No s%*# he improved on it. What are we doing?

My comment was Lackey has been 20% better than Roch, not his previous season.

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

My comment was Lackey has been 20% better than Roch, not his previous season.

Okay that's not how I read it. Still though, for a club like the White Sox that has always factored in the previous season highly in evaluations, all of this will matter.

Unfortunately for Sox fans, the process by which the White Sox have done evaluations has been a problem in terms of results. There’s not necessarily any problem atm with the process right now that we are aware of in terms of Roch Cholowski and the rest. Just that the what the Sox like to do historically hasn’t necessarily served us well. Anyway, Roch Cholowski plateaued right when people were asking about the size of his upside. He’s pretty dang good though, obviously.

The relative upsides of the guys at the top of this draft are worth exploring as alternatives. When you’re drafting 1-1, are you trying to be safe, sure, or are you trying to reach for the most explosive outcome possible? If the Sox were trying to be safe with Smith over Griffin, this time, many of us will regret the outcome again if it repeats, and the Sox were over consecutive.

Edited Monday at 09:43 PM1 day by Chick Mercedes