LUIS ROBERT TRADED

[chitownsportsfan]

2 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Yes, but trading Robert to create “financial flexibility” when they have like a $65 million payroll is not something that should be praised.

The framing is absurd. You know what else would bring "financial flexibility"? 40 million more allocated to payroll.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

The framing is absurd. You know what else would bring "financial flexibility"? 40 million more allocated to payroll.

Yep. Robert is far from perfect and probably wasn’t going to be here long term anyway. But the framing of this whole thing is ridiculous.

[Autumn Dreamin]

[GreenSox]

16 minutes ago, fathom said:

I’m expecting something like Canning, Conforto and mediocre reliever like Leclerc

I hope not.  Those would be a signings just to sign.  Overall, they would likely make things worse.
Do a deal with Gonsolin; give him some $$ this year and some club options for next 2.
Or sign one or both of Verlander and Scherzer to a 1/$20, with the promise that we’ll trade them to a contender in July.

[Bob Sacamano]

5 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

I hope not.  Those would be a signings just to sign.  Overall, they would likely make things worse.
Do a deal with Gonsolin; give him some $$ this year and some club options for next 2.
Or sign one or both of Verlander and Scherzer to a 1/$20, with the promise that we’ll trade them to a contender in July.

Surprised to see how decent Verlander was last year. Still don't really want him nor Scherzer. The latter spends a good amount of time on IL these days.

I like the Gonsolin idea on a 1-year (or with option) deal to try to flip later. Injuries have hurt him the last few years though

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Eddy is so funny, swear to god. This guy was just spending days telling us Getz actually wasnt trying to trade Robert and would hold team hostages for his talent.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Surprised to see how decent Verlander was last year. Still don't really want him nor Scherzer. The latter spends a good amount of time on IL these days.

I like the Gonsolin idea on a 1-year (or with option) deal to try to flip later. Injuries have hurt him the last few years though

Tony arm never bounced back after all the injuries. Think hes washed but hed be way better than the other bums listed. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

12 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

If there were any better offer than this last trade deadline, Getz fucked up royally. Even a comparable offer then makes more sense than hanging onto him, and picking up the option only to salary dump him for jack s%*# months later. 

I know Getz is bad at this, but holy s%*# this chain of events makes my head hurt. 

I'm not following your logic here. Your statement about the chain of events making your head hurt is based on a hypothetical that you clearly stated right from your opening word "If". 

"IF there was any better offer than this past trade deadline ,then Getz fucked up royally".  Your exact quote. 

So, conversely if there wasn't a better offer then Getz didnt f*** up , right ?  This might be the best offer he got in 2 yrs despite his hand being shown to the whole league. 

 We've had a lot of discussion here about choosing to pick up the option. I dont think I agreed with it at the time because I thought it was throwing good money after bad and other GMs thinking it's very likely  JR  will not increase payroll that Getz wouldn't be able to get a GM to buy into the upside argument . You can't play a hand if everyone knows the cards you're holding .But I understod why with the options in CF so limited this offseason that Robert could look enticing for a  year IF demand outweighed supply. Unfortunately once Murakami signed that seemed to force Getz's hand even more. That development changed things. 

I think Getz got very lucky to get the full salary and buyout paid for and get interesting bodies too. 

Like Heyman said the decision to pick up the option paid off but not in any way that might help with wins and losses this year unless Baldwin, Acuna , Pereira et al can step up into the  large OF  voids and produce a couple WAR

But it could help future years  if you factor in Murakami could be a better future trade piece than Robert.  Those 2 deals are definitely tied together. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Never considered before but someone here said it... sox picked up Robert option to save themselves 2 million..that makes more sense than everything else. Hilarious to think about. Guess it's only 1.5 million in saving after trade 

Edited 1 hour ago by Look at Ray Ray Run

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Eddy is so funny, swear to god. This guy was just spending days telling us Getz actually wasnt trying to trade Robert and would hold team hostages for his talent.

But I've yet to top "Vinny Capra is better than Shane Smith because the Brewers rostered Capra and not Smith". I'll keep trying, though. 

[Bob Sacamano]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Never considered before but someone here said it... sox picked up Robert option to save themselves 2 million..that makes more sense than everything else. Hilarious to think about. Guess it's only 1.5 million in saving after trade 

Literally lol

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Literally lol

Its funny how obvious it is once you think about it. 

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Never considered before but someone here said it... sox picked up Robert option to save themselves 2 million..that makes more sense than everything else. Hilarious to think about. Guess it's only 1.5 million in saving after trade 

FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY!

[WhiteSox2023]

19 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

I hope not.  Those would be a signings just to sign.  Overall, they would likely make things worse.
Do a deal with Gonsolin; give him some $$ this year and some club options for next 2.
Or sign one or both of Verlander and Scherzer to a 1/$20, with the promise that we’ll trade them to a contender in July.

Whether you are right or wrong, look at @fathom‘s post of players and your own.  Which players do you think the Sox are more likely to add?

[WhiteSox2023]

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Its funny how obvious it is once you think about it. 

[Ozzie for Manager]

8 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

Payroll sits at 67 million. Lowest in baseball. We had a higher payroll 22 years ago, for reference. 

So Ohtani makes more than the white sox team combined.  Elite company to be in. 

[Greg Hibbard]

The more I look at the lack of data on Acuña and Pauley, and the more I remember Luis' last two seasons, the more I think this trade really is TBD.

If Luis puts up .223 and 1.4 WAR, that's really not a good result for the Mets - and if we were to keep Luis and he put up .223 and 1.4 WAR it's hindering our development as much as anything.

Acuña doesn't have enough reps yet, IMO, and Pauley is just a sprout. We'll see. 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Greg Hibbard

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, Ozzie for Manager said:

So Ohtani makes more than the white sox team combined.  Elite company to be in. 

Or would if his salary wasn't mostly deferred.

[PaleAleSox]

5 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

The more I look at the lack of data on Acuña and Pauley, and the more I remember Luis' last two seasons, the more I think this trade really is TBD.

If Luis puts up .223 and 1.4 WAR, that's really not a good result for the Mets - and if we were to keep Luis and he put up .223 and 1.4 WAR it's hindering our development as much as anything.

Acuña doesn't have enough reps yet, IMO, and Pauley is just a sprout. We'll see. 

 

Hot takes are needed NOW. 

[Lip Man 1]

24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY!

The money will be spent!!! 😆

[Sambuca]

7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

This trade isn’t good, but getting any sort of prospects was worth picking up the option for.

Just seems like a lot of work and risk for this to be the output. 

[Snopek]

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

That is crazy.  You can’t make this stuff up…

White Sox 2026 Payroll — $67 million

Kyle Tucker’s 2026 Salary — $60 million

Juan Soto’s 2026 Salary — $51 million

Joke’s on them. The 2026 White Sox would beat a team fielded by only Kyle Tucker 7 times out of 10.

[Green Line]

It doesnt look like we got anything of value so why not wait until the season starts and see if he plays well, then trade him for better players?????

[joejoesox]

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

So if a full rebuild takes 5 years and Robert was only here for a maximum of 4 more years with his option years, why not trade him after his best season ever?  Surely the return would have been better than Acuña and Pauley, no?  That was pretty much my point.  No need to get salty when you can’t contest someone’s point.

FIVE YEARS WHAT

[ChiSoxFanMike]

23 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

The more I look at the lack of data on Acuña and Pauley, and the more I remember Luis' last two seasons, the more I think this trade really is TBD.

If Luis puts up .223 and 1.4 WAR, that's really not a good result for the Mets - and if we were to keep Luis and he put up .223 and 1.4 WAR it's hindering our development as much as anything.

Acuña doesn't have enough reps yet, IMO, and Pauley is just a sprout. We'll see. 

 

Acuna’s lack of power concerns me a lot. And I know he just had that 4 HR game, but he has never hit for much if any power even in the minors.

My only hope is that maybe Fuller sees something in him he thinks he can tweak. Either way, he’ll probably get a ton of run in CF because they have no one else.