34 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

A lower ankle should be a few days. Even a high ankle should be 2-3 weeks.

Never seen a guy come back from 2-3 weeks from a high ankle sprain. Certainly not a catcher. That's a 6 week injury.

4 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

I'm a huge fan of control first pitchers with elite changeups

That's the problem with Thorpe though. He was advertised as a 65-70 command guy and came to the big leagues and had 40 grade command.

Add in the fact that command is the last thing to come back after surgery, and I think he's better off sitting in the minor leagues all year.

4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Never seen a guy come back from 2-3 weeks from a high ankle sprain. Certainly not a catcher. That's a 6 week injury.

Id be surprised if it was a high ankle based on where they were checking last night. Everyone assumed it was achilles with where they were checking so that would point to a lower ankle sprain. Also, high ankle sprains can heal quicker than that.

5 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

I'm a huge fan of control first pitchers with elite changeups

well so far he's shown neither control nor elite changeups. 4.4 walk rate in MLB per 9 and -.4 runs on his changeup. I root for the guy, hope he can succeed, but his profile has a sliver of an opening to success.

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Never seen a guy come back from 2-3 weeks from a high ankle sprain. Certainly not a catcher. That's a 6 week injury.

Depends if it’s Grade I, II, or III. My son came back from one in 2 weeks playing OL but it was a Grade I. He just taped it up. Definitely wouldn’t be fun as a catcher.

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1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Why? He was replacement level before the injury. He hasn't thrown a ball in anger in what, 15 months? There is zero reason to expect him to contribute anything this season, and not much optimism beyond it, unless somehow he starts throwing 94-95 instead of 90-91.

Call me crazy but this are his starts leading up to his injury. Looks like a major league pitcher to me.

16 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Never seen a guy come back from 2-3 weeks from a high ankle sprain. Certainly not a catcher. That's a 6 week injury.

High ankle sprains are always the most difficult. I've had trainers tell me in some cases it would have been better for the player to have broken the ankle, that would heal quicker.

He won't be back in 10 days that's almost guaranteed but maybe it won't be six weeks which would be Labor Day.

11 minutes ago, CBJ03 said:

Call me crazy but this are his starts leading up to his injury. Looks like a major league pitcher to me.

and now show the two starts after that.

16 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Depends if it’s Grade I, II, or III. My son came back from one in 2 weeks playing OL but it was a Grade I. He just taped it up. Definitely wouldn’t be fun as a catcher.

To be young again!

And yes, lower body injuries to catchers need to be 100% healed before pushing anything.

Maybe we can trade Roch for Lackey

Good news on Teel all things considered. Even if he is out a month or a little more, he will be back for the stretch run in September.

I knew he didnt pop his Achilles. Seen enough of those injuries to tell right away. Hopefully he is back by mid August and ready to go for the stretch run

15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

and now show the two starts after that.

You mean the ones that lead to TJ surgery? I'm surprised they weren't good.

16 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

and now show the two starts after that.

You mean those two when his injury started to tell, but he went out and tried anyway?

39 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Never seen a guy come back from 2-3 weeks from a high ankle sprain. Certainly not a catcher. That's a 6 week injury.

I mean it is Teel, so it will probably be longer than expected.

3 hours ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Are all those starts going to be with the Dash? I would like to see a couple there, then up to AA for one start. If all is going well, get him starting as soon as possible in Charlotte. Let’s try to (again if all is going well) fast track him up to AAA.

Also, knowing nothing about his defense, I like to see Boston Smith being used at catcher with Charlotte as soon as possible also.

Seems to me Quero is the right move now. He has shown ability in the past. Even this season he got a few big hits, but mostly he knows the pitching staff, and it is a continuity factor. A familiar face and just keep pushing.

I know someone will throw up his stats and say no way. All true he has mostly sucked this season, and his defense is bad too. All things considered a trade, or a signing are risky too and internally Lee must be poison. So, bring Quero back. Stay the course.

21 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

You mean those two when his injury started to tell, but he went out and tried anyway?

And just to be clear, back in 2024 when he was not yet scheduled for any kind of surgery, Thorpe said when he went on the IL that his elbow was hurting him in his last two starts and he had tried to pitch through it. Nobody is required to look at that and crown him the next Cy Young as there was plenty to nitpick during his healthy run of starts. But his numbers really got killed by those last two starts when, by his own admission, he was pitching through elbow pain that ultimately stole 2 seasons from him. Maybe he'll never recapture his old self, maybe his old self was always going to run into a buzzsaw even if healthy, who knows. But I wouldn't rule out that the one-time widely acclaimed prospect might actually be good.

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9 minutes ago, soxrwhite said:

Seems to me Quero is the right move now. He has shown ability in the past. Even this season he got a few big hits, but mostly he knows the pitching staff, and it is a continuity factor. A familiar face and just keep pushing.

I know someone will throw up his stats and say no way. All true he has mostly sucked this season, and his defense is bad too. All things considered a trade, or a signing are risky too and internally Lee must be poison. So, bring Quero back. Stay the course.

I completely agree with: Quero is the obvious choice.

Plus, he has so much talent. Hopefully, he can fix himself with a 2nd chance.

14 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Are all those starts going to be with the Dash? I would like to see a couple there, then up to AA for one start. If all is going well, get him starting as soon as possible in Charlotte. Let’s try to (again if all is going well) fast track him up to AAA.

Also, knowing nothing about his defense, I like to see Boston Smith being used at catcher with Charlotte as soon as possible also.

The typical thing to do is move him up little by little over those starts. But keep in mind the last time Thorpe threw a competitive pitch was 10 days short of 2 full years ago, July 31, 2024. That's 720 days. No need to rush him.

21 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Are all those starts going to be with the Dash? I would like to see a couple there, then up to AA for one start. If all is going well, get him starting as soon as possible in Charlotte.

2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Why? He was replacement level before the injury. He hasn't thrown a ball in anger in what, 15 months? There is zero reason to expect him to contribute anything this season, and not much optimism beyond it, unless somehow he starts throwing 94-95 instead of 90-91.

He was a top 70 prospect whose velocity dropped a tick or two when he first came up. If his velocity returns, his command and changeup along will make him a valuable SP.

53 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

I knew he didnt pop his Achilles. Seen enough of those injuries to tell right away. Hopefully he is back by mid August and ready to go for the stretch run

"I have a bad feeling about this" Panican @ron883 should stop trusting his feelings but be relieved.

51 minutes ago, CBJ03 said:

You mean the ones that lead to TJ surgery? I'm surprised they weren't good.

I'm getting used to Ray Ray arguments now. He always leaves some key fact out.

11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He was a top 70 prospect whose velocity dropped a tick or two when he first came up. If his velocity returns, his command and changeup along will make him a valuable SP.

He will need more than just a return of low 90s velocity. He needs another tick or two on the radar gun otherwise his margin for error is slim. It also remains to be seen if his command and the elite changeup remain intact.

Sometimes after TJS, some pitchers gain a bit of velocity. If he can get up to 92-95 instead of 89-92, it would be very helpful.

I’m not expecting much from Thorpe this year, but I do think he’s interesting in the long run.

Great news about Teel. I didn’t think it was as serious as an Achilles tear, but I also didn’t think we’d see him again this season.