37 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Here's what Shirley had to say during ESPN's inside look at the Sox 2026 draft.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49358788/2026-mlb-draft-chicago-white-sox-no-1-overall-pick-decision-roch-cholowsky-grady-emerson

Possibly selecting Vahn Lackey was always a smoke screen...

19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Possibly selecting Vahn Lackey was always a smoke screen...

It looks like Jordan Sprinkle (4, 2022) was the only African-American player taken in the top 10 rounds during Shirley's tenure as head of amateur scouting.

Edited Monday at 09:53 PM2 days by WestEddy

Matt Thompson (2019 #2 - Hostetler) is probably the highest draft choice of an African American since Tim A. I realize that the Latin American market is separate, but that has been a Sox clown show for far too long. It's hard to believe that race would have anything to do with player acquisition...although baseball evaluation is the least reliable anyway.
But from a reputation standpoint, that this has apparently been going on this long is the worst thing.

Shirley's been here through 7 drafts...time for a change anyway.

Edited Monday at 10:16 PM2 days by GreenSox

Given the concerns about abuse, I must note the word "opine" has been suffering serious abuse in this thread while its homophone "pine" suffers from neglect.

The thought about the Whiteness of the Sox draft picks crossed my mind but I think it will be hard to look at the Sox draftees and get too terribly much out of it. About 80% of all players drafted in the top 5 rounds (by all teams) in recent years are non-Hispanic Whites, per this study: https://sabr.org/journal/article/examining-dusty-bakers-hope-is-help-on-the-way/

Sox took an obviously Hispanic player in the first round just a few years ago in the form of Jacob Gonzalez. Less obvious (from the name) is Billy Carlson, whose mother is Mexican. I believe Roch Cholowsky's mother is Indian-American. So IDK, it's possible he has some particular biases that affected his player evaluation, but in today's MLB you're going to see a lot of White guys among any team's draftees. It's fair to raise the question given the other things he's accused of. But there are other people involved in the draft decisions too.

1 hour ago, Jake said:

Given the concerns about abuse, I must note the word "opine" has been suffering serious abuse in this thread while its homophone "pine" suffers from neglect.

The thought about the Whiteness of the Sox draft picks crossed my mind but I think it will be hard to look at the Sox draftees and get too terribly much out of it. About 80% of all players drafted in the top 5 rounds (by all teams) in recent years are non-Hispanic Whites, per this study: https://sabr.org/journal/article/examining-dusty-bakers-hope-is-help-on-the-way/

Sox took an obviously Hispanic player in the first round just a few years ago in the form of Jacob Gonzalez. Less obvious (from the name) is Billy Carlson, whose mother is Mexican. I believe Roch Cholowsky's mother is Indian-American. So IDK, it's possible he has some particular biases that affected his player evaluation, but in today's MLB you're going to see a lot of White guys among any team's draftees. It's fair to raise the question given the other things he's accused of. But there are other people involved in the draft decisions too.

One also wonders how involved Barfield and Carlos Rodriguez are...

8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

I get the reflex is to try to abdicate any responsibility to Getz, and I think that is the reason for the more ridiculous parts of that post, especially since his name comes up expressly in this one, but it just comes off as excusing and enabling said behavior. Who cares who, that's not the important part. I don't need Back in My Day excuses for this s%*#. Back in my day we did a lot of stupid things, but the idea is to grow up and be better. Own up and grow up is the path. Again, this isn't the Sox first rodeo here either. They seem to be acquiring a history of questionable behavior with their employees.

There are a lot of people with questionable behavior around. That is not a particular trait of only the Sox organization .That is something that never changes. There are probably dozens of people in front offices, coaches and players with hostile attitudes towards women and mentally abusive to other because being the "BOSS" allows you to discipline and try to get better performance in many different ways. Very little of it is apparent enough to get someone fired. Shirley has probably acted that way his whole life and it's usually overlooked . I'm glad their Human Resources Dept. was able to take the problem seriously and move it up the chain of command where action could be taken.

I could look at this website and recount plenty of sexual "jokes" about women in general. Boys will be boys stuff but being tolerant of it and watching it spread because it's ok when no when says anything about it is also wrong.

Edited yesterday at 02:29 AM1 day by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

On 9/13/2026 at 4:24 PM, fathom said:

Yeah the change isn’t happen soon at all

When you're 90 it can happen any minute. But he is a pretty spry 90.

I have to say I absolutely despise the whole "let this guy resign" bullshit that companies do. He should be fired for this embarrassing deplorable behavior.

6 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

I hope Getz reels in a good one.

5 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said:

I have to say I absolutely despise the whole "let this guy resign" bullshit that companies do. He should be fired for this embarrassing deplorable behavior.

Opens yourself up to potential lawsuits and other issues. Resigning is cleaner. He most likely didn't do anything illegal as being a racist, bigot or asshole is not illegal.

25 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

Opens yourself up to potential lawsuits and other issues. Resigning is cleaner. He most likely didn't do anything illegal as being a racist, bigot or asshole is not illegal.

Agreed, it would probably be a lot more costly to fire him and everyone gets dragged through the mud in the court and public opinion

35 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

Opens yourself up to potential lawsuits and other issues. Resigning is cleaner. He most likely didn't do anything illegal as being a racist, bigot or asshole is not illegal.

I promise you that there are clauses in all of these guys contracts about how they act in public, and he could have been fired for cause. Yes he might have wanted to fight it, but pretty sure he doesn't want testimony about the years of dumb s%*# he said and did, and neither do the Sox. This is a divorce of convenience for both parties.

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

I promise you that there are clauses in all of these guys contracts about how they act in public, and he could have been fired for cause. Yes he might have wanted to fight it, but pretty sure he doesn't want testimony about the years of dumb s%*# he said and did, and neither do the Sox. This is a divorce of convenience for both parties.

Bingo.

Getz should snag someone from the Brewers amateur scouting department.

18 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Does everyone want to get suspended today? We already deleted the political bs once. It won't happen again.

"Political bs" is mentioned nowhere in the site guidelines for the record.

2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Agreed, it would probably be a lot more costly to fire him and everyone gets dragged through the mud in the court and public opinion

How did all of the dirt come out same day? Somebody talked off the record. Shirley won't be running a scouting department again. I doubt he works for an MLB again.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

How did all of the dirt come out same day? Somebody talked off the record. Shirley won't be running a scouting department again. I doubt he works for an MLB again.

Probably the aggrieved party got it off his chest

9 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:

"Political bs" is mentioned nowhere in the site guidelines for the record.

It has been updated. It has been policy for years now ever since the updating of the board with the removal of the political forum.

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

How did all of the dirt come out same day? Somebody talked off the record. Shirley won't be running a scouting department again. I doubt he works for an MLB again.

Somebody talked is right. Shirley ran his mouth in public, and a lot of people apparently heard it. For apparently the 3rd time now, this was reported back to the White Sox through a 3rd party. (2021 survey, 2022 MLB, and however it got back to them in 2026) Having other parties involved isn't the greatest way to keep a secret.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Somebody talked is right. Shirley ran his mouth in public, and a lot of people apparently heard it. For apparently the 3rd time now, this was reported back to the White Sox through a 3rd party. (2021 survey, 2022 MLB, and however it got back to them in 2026) Having other parties involved isn't the greatest way to keep a secret.

You've generally made the point that the Sox denigrate employees when they leave the org. While I don't totally agree with that, this feels like a sitch where either the team let people talk off the record, or somebody who felt their path was blocked due to Shirley's various bigotries decided to vent. It usually takes the connected people here asking around and getting a hint after a while.

To @Paulie4Pres 's comment about getting fired vs. resigning, either way, he's most probably not holding a job in MLB again. At least not a visible one.

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You've generally made the point that the Sox denigrate employees when they leave the org. While I don't totally agree with that, this feels like a sitch where either the team let people talk off the record, or somebody who felt their path was blocked due to Shirley's various bigotries decided to vent. It usually takes the connected people here asking around and getting a hint after a while.

To @Paulie4Pres 's comment about getting fired vs. resigning, either way, he's most probably not holding a job in MLB again. At least not a visible one.

I guess if that is what you are worried about here, ok. I would rather this stop happening within this franchise.

47 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said:

Getz should snag someone from the Brewers amateur scouting department.

This is Jerry's team. My guess is that they're promote from within or hire someone who has worked for Reinsdorf before.

14 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You've generally made the point that the Sox denigrate employees when they leave the org. While I don't totally agree with that, this feels like a sitch where either the team let people talk off the record, or somebody who felt their path was blocked due to Shirley's various bigotries decided to vent. It usually takes the connected people here asking around and getting a hint after a while.

To @Paulie4Pres 's comment about getting fired vs. resigning, either way, he's most probably not holding a job in MLB again. At least not a visible one.

Unless he works for himself or a family member or friend, I don’t see how anyone hires him for anything. People who have done much worse get hired every day, but Bob in Accounting doesn’t have his transgressions on the internet for all to see.

Well he is finished in baseball.

If it becomes clear that the organization knew and covered for him, it will take a organizational purge at the top to bring back a lot of fans.