I blame Taylor for that walk

But damnit that ball has to be caught

This season Martin had 26 starts. He had the 4 starts in a row right before he was put on DL where he let up runs in the first inning. The 20 starts before he let up 1st inning runs 2x and they were 1 run each time. The last 2 starts no runs and had 10.2 innings of 1 run ball. So where in all that data do you look and think it's a good idea to start arguably your worst pitcher in the biggest game of the year?

Venable gets worse and worse with each series

4 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I remember that vividly. It was on my birthday:

August 25, 2022 – Over the decades the most incredible, strange, bizarre things seem to happen to the White Sox in Baltimore. Games that are ready to be won, are lost in the most astonishing ways, ways that only seem to happen once in a decade except to the White Sox.

Case in point, a night game in Baltimore on this date.

The Sox led the Orioles 3-2 with two out, no one on in the last of the ninth inning. Sox closer Liam Hendriks was working on his 20^th consecutive save. Baltimore outfielder Kyle Stowers sliced a fly ball that drifted into foul ground in left field. Sox outfielder Adam Engel ran to the area, put his glove up…and dropped the ball.

The error gave Stowers a second chance and he promptly hammered a flat curve ball from Hendriks into the seats for the game tying home run. Baltimore would wind up winning the game 4-3 in 11 innings.  

That's an unfortunate bday experience. I could not believe that play and remember getting a bad feeling when such an outstanding defensive outfielder just flat out botched a play.

8 minutes ago, hi8is said:

If they win tomorrow, everything in Sox fandom will take another 180. These guys won’t quit until the last out of game 162.

I also have complete faith that they’re all learning and maturing through these experiences in ways that will serve their growth next year BIG TIME.

Hopefully the same is also true for the coaching staff. Lots of room for improvement top to bottom on this team.

LETS FUCKING GO WHITE SOX!!!

Venable is stubborn. I agree that he's also learning BUT he's not adjusting and keeps making the same bad managerial decisions. He might be a great player's coach and his players want to play for him but his game time decisions leave a lot to be desired.

13 minutes ago, hi8is said:

If they win tomorrow, everything in Sox fandom will take another 180. These guys won’t quit until the last out of game 162.

I also have complete faith that they’re all learning and maturing through these experiences in ways that will serve their growth next year BIG TIME.

Hopefully the same is also true for the coaching staff. Lots of room for improvement top to bottom on this team.

LETS FUCKING GO WHITE SOX!!!

"If" is the biggest little word in the world.

I admire your faith especially with this franchise.

And remember there may not be a next year.

It doesn't take a genius to see the holes in the lineup. Why keep putting the same guys out there in the same spots over and over? Make the adjustments.

Sox would not be in the race if it wasn't for Chase and Antonacci in the same line-up. There are trade-offs in defense to be made for Antonacci who is learning a new position, but he hits the ball and competes, so he deserves to be out there. Of course another outfielder could make a better play, but let's not forget, Sam was 2 for 4 today with an RBI and 1 for 3 yesterday with a stolen base. And he is a rookie. Chase has been stellar at times at second base and has been clutch at the plate. So it is what it is.

My thinking before games is that you do not allow certain players to beat you, like Rochhio. IMO...Rochhio should not be given a pitch near the zone to hit, especially with a chance to beat you. Maybe unintentionally/intentionally walk him. I'd take my chances with bases loaded and Hicks against Kwan, but hindsight is always 20/20. My 2 cents.

4 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

"If" is the biggest little word in the world.

I admire your faith especially with this franchise.

And remember there may not be a next year.

Is that an AI prediction or are you just talking about baseball?

5 minutes ago, tray said:

Sox would not be in the race if it wasn't for Chase and Antonacci in the same line-up. There are trade-offs in defense to be made for Antonacci who is learning a new position, but he hits the ball and competes, so he deserves to be out there. Of course another outfielder could make a better play, but let's not forget, Sam was 2 for 4 today with an RBI and 1 for 3 yesterday with a stolen base. And he is a rookie. Chase has been stellar at times at second base and has been clutch at the plate. So it is what it is.

My thinking before games is that you do not allow certain players to beat you, like Rochhio. IMO...Rochhio should not be given a pitch near the zone to hit, especially with a chance to beat you. Maybe unintentionally/intentionally walk him. I'd take my chances with bases loaded and Hicks against Kwan, but hindsight is always 20/20. My 2 cents.

Kwan is one of the hottest hitters in baseball the last two months

also lhb against Taylor

retire Bailey and you don't have to face either guy there

I'm so fucking pissed.

And I got a sinking feeling that was coming in the 9th given what CLE has been pulling recently.

Just get back on the horse and win tomorrow.

But damn we had them there about to be put in a vise and ofcourse they fucking escape again.

Take the rubber match, let's fucking go

Stop treating him like an established star!

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

Stop treating him like an established star!

Walk him to face Doyle or Braden???

okay that's some strange logic there

10 minutes ago, fathom said:

Stop treating him like an established star!

Wait so Venable knows Mune sucks so bad right now that he thought Cleveland would intentionally walk Vargas to get to him since he’s an automatic out. Got it 🤡

6% hit probability on that last flyball, an avg LF makes that play.

6 minutes ago, mac9001 said:

6% hit probability on that last flyball, an avg LF makes that play.

Bulshit.

Only a speed demon makes that play when they are positioned that shallow and leaning toward Center. He was positioned in the wrong place but was he to blame for that? The defensive positioning is dictated in large measure by how a batter is being pitched. The Manager and bench Manager are responsible for that.

Taylor pitched Rochhio a high down the middle fastball where he could stick the head of his bat out and hit it oppo.... like a lot of LH hitters do on a pitch in that location. The field positioning dictated pitching Rochhio inside.

3 minutes ago, tray said:

Bulshit.

Only a speed demon makes that play when they are positioned that shallow and leaning toward Center. He was positioned in the wrong place but was he to blame for that? The defensive positioning is dictated in large measure by how a batter is being pitched. The Manager and bench Manager are responsible for that.

Taylor pitched Rochhio a high down the middle fastball where he could stick the head of his bat out and hit it oppo.... like a lot of LH hitters do on a pitch in that location. The field positioning dictated pitching Rochhio inside.

How is it possible to have every take you make on this forum be the wrong one? It's uncanny.

His route to that ball was atrocious. He read it completely wrong. He started coming in on it and then had to turn and run back... He misplayed it badly.

He also never should have been out there. The pinch hitting of Montgomery for Doyle was absolutely idiotic. Montgomery has been terrible at the plate, Doyle has had a good game, and you have a lead. You're subbing out your best defensive outfielder.... They should have subbed Montgomery for Antonacci in the 9th, put Doyle in Center, Peters in LF, and Montgomery in RF.

But our manager is a moron. Everyone questioned Montgomery coming up to PH for Doyle as soon as it happened, and what do you know?

Edited 16 hours ago16 hr by Paulie4Pres

3 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said:

How is it possible to have every take you make on this forum be the wrong one? It's uncanny.

His route to that ball was atrocious. He read it completely wrong. He started coming in on it and then had to turn and run back... He misplayed it badly.

He also never should have been out there. The pinch hitting of Montgomery for Doyle was absolutely idiotic. Montgomery has been terrible at the plate, Doyle has had a good game, and you have a lead. You're subbing out your best defensive outfielder.... They should have subbed Montgomery for Antonacci in the 9th, put Doyle in Center, Peters in LF, and Montgomery in RF.

But our manager is a moron. Everyone questioned Montgomery coming up to PH for Doyle as soon as it happened, and what do you know?

You really are a damn fool who wants to make things personal. F off.

Edited 15 hours ago15 hr by tray

40 minutes ago, tray said:

You really are a damn fool who wants to make things personal. F off.

I'm just a snarky asshole. Sorry if you can't deal with it. Everything I said is right though, so whatever.

1 hour ago, fathom said:

Stop treating him like an established star!

His presence could be fixed with a dash of Old Spice.

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

give MoY to Cash or Vogt

lower payrolls...more impressive results

took the risk of using Cade Smith to hold the score where it was because he actually manages with a sense of urgency

Agree with you. Will has no sense of urgency. He manages a critical pennant chasing game like it was in the middle of the season. Would also like for Will to show more energy. His dugout zombiE like look is not good.

2 hours ago, MexSoxFan#1 said:

Good s%*#, I would switch Beni with Kolson though...hell I'd put Peters in front of Kolson. Peters doesn't have Kolson's pop but at least he gives you good ABs and makes more contact

Good luck getting by Will’s split orthodoxy.

3 minutes ago, Stinky Stanky said:

His presence could be fixed with a dash of Old Spice.

How do you say Golden Sombrero in Japanese? He can also be respected be respected batting 8 th instead of cleanup stopping rallies and getting an extra at bat,.

2 hours ago, tray said:

Sox would not be in the race if it wasn't for Chase and Antonacci in the same line-up. There are trade-offs in defense to be made for Antonacci who is learning a new position, but he hits the ball and competes, so he deserves to be out there. Of course another outfielder could make a better play, but let's not forget, Sam was 2 for 4 today with an RBI and 1 for 3 yesterday with a stolen base. And he is a rookie. Chase has been stellar at times at second base and has been clutch at the plate. So it is what it is.

My thinking before games is that you do not allow certain players to beat you, like Rochhio. IMO...Rochhio should not be given a pitch near the zone to hit, especially with a chance to beat you. Maybe unintentionally/intentionally walk him. I'd take my chances with bases loaded and Hicks against Kwan, but hindsight is always 20/20. My 2 cents.

The issue here is not Antonacci’s hitting. The issue is his defense on the bottom of the ninth in a one run game. We needed a real outfielder out there for defense, not a second baseman baseman

2 hours ago, MexSoxFan#1 said:

Venable is stubborn. I agree that he's also learning BUT he's not adjusting and keeps making the same bad managerial decisions. He might be a great player's coach and his players want to play for him but his game time decisions leave a lot to be desired.

Excellent comment. Venable is also providing awful explanations of his bad decisions, and doubling down on them. He has now cost us a few games with his bad in game decisions and bad roster construction.

2 hours ago, hankchifan said:

How do you say Golden Sombrero in Japanese? He can also be respected be respected batting 8 th instead of cleanup stopping rallies and getting an extra at bat,.

I believe Golden Sombrero in Japanese is Gorden Sombreroo

They win this game without Murphy opening the game. Keep defending this awful awful manager though. I would take Renteria every single time over Venable

back to back games where Venable leaves in his bulk guy for too many batters, yesterday they got out of it even with the added base runner, today martin gives up a bomb lol