LDF Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Nothing is carved in stone. Shingo and Crede are represented by Boras. I know there are extenuating circumstances involved with each, but they did "negotiate" with Boras to sign Shingo. Things have a way of changing. is that true on crede and shingo being represented by boras???????? watch boras tell shingo to sit out until he gets a raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 is that true on crede and shingo being represented by boras???????? watch boras tell shingo to sit out until he gets a raised. I picked up that info from reading this board. I certainly wouldn't bet my life on the accuracy of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Not way Houston's goin to settle for Jon Rauch for Carlos Beltran. They gave up Dotel, and 2 good prospects for him. Beltran would be a luxury we can't really afford. I'd rather go after a good arm for the bullpen (Luis Ayala, Brian Fuentes etc.), and another good quality starter. Fuentes got a good arm and good stuff but is on the DL. Ayala is allright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Fuentes got a good arm and good stuff but is on the DL. Ayala is allright lets look at this way, if and i mean a if, the sox do get beltran and it cost us rauch and several other prospect and not the major studs in the farm. we get beltran for the push and then let him leave after the season. his leaving will get us some extra draft picks. rauch may not get the break here in chicago to start, a change may jump start him, and with the lineup we have, do you see any other prospect helping us now??? the draft picks can be used to rebuild the farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 The only type of relief pitcher i am looking for is a pitchers with and era under 3.50. Not brian meadows though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I picked up that info from reading this board. I certainly wouldn't bet my life on the accuracy of it. good Idea YAS. http://baseballguru.com/archives/entries/00000641.htm According to Sports Nippon, Yakult Swallows free agent closer Shingo Takatsu will make around $700,000 in his first year in the San Diego Padres bullpen. Padres GM Kevin Towers and Takatsu's agent, Joe Urbon, met yesterday and reportedly made substantial progress on a pact that would bring the sidearming sinkerballer to the big leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Who is Rick Ballou? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 WHY WOULD HOUSTON TRADE BELTRAN RIGHT AFTER THEY AQUIRED HIM??? Beltran aint goin no where....nomar will probably be a cub, and i hope the unit stays a diamond back, we need a reliever and left handed batting catcher and possibly a starter better the scho....that starter seems a better idea cause you could kil 2 birds with one stone when you put sho in the pen.....i think he would do a lot better out of there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 We need to determine what Frank's true situation is before we make any moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 WHY WOULD HOUSTON TRADE BELTRAN RIGHT AFTER THEY AQUIRED HIM??? Beltran aint goin no where....nomar will probably be a cub, and i hope the unit stays a diamond back, we need a reliever and left handed batting catcher and possibly a starter better the scho....that starter seems a better idea cause you could kil 2 birds with one stone when you put sho in the pen.....i think he would do a lot better out of there Because they are 10 1/2 games out of first place? Any other obvious questions you need answered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Honestly... I think that this team should add a veteran Catcher and another arm in the pen. The Marlins are a glowing example of how you dont need all those all-stars to win a title, we have the team... we just need to start playing with consistentcy. Yes! Catching will be our achille's heel. We lost a real good player with a bright future when we gave up Olivo. Alomar is a solid game caller, but not an everyday player. I think we need an everyday solid performer behind the plate such as a Kendall or Charles Johnson. I like what Aaron Rowand has been doing and Jose Valentin even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Because they are 10 1/2 games out of first place? Any other obvious questions you need answered? I think they're only 4 or 4 1/2 back in the wild card, yes? There are probably several teams in front of them, but 4 1/2 out of any playoff spot at the All Star break is do-able. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I think they're only 4 or 4 1/2 back in the wild card, yes? There are probably several teams in front of them, but 4 1/2 out of any playoff spot at the All Star break is do-able. 6 teams in front of them. They are 6-10 since Beltran got there. I hate to say it but Houston is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 4.5 games back? If the Sox were 4.5 games back, would you say they were done? I don't think the make up of these teams are determined yet. 4 out of the 6 in front of them are likely to fade. Then all of a sudden you're right back in the mix. I wouldn't say they're "done", yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 also NY times says Cubs get nomar Red Sox get Unit Dbacks get Cubs prospects. More likely the Cubs get Cabrera. Could it be that KW is going after Beltran to get in Magglio's head? If the Sox were to acquire Beltran than Maggs would be expendable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 4.5 games back? If the Sox were 4.5 games back, would you say they were done? I don't think the make up of these teams are determined yet. 4 out of the 6 in front of them are likely to fade. Then all of a sudden you're right back in the mix. I wouldn't say they're "done", yet. Look up at what they are looking at, and playing the way they are, I would say they are done. Something isn't right with that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Look up at what they are looking at, and playing the way they are, I would say they are done. Something isn't right with that team. Especially if Jimmy Williams gets the ax today and they hire Don Baylor. Put a fork in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Especially if Jimmy Williams gets the ax today and they hire Don Baylor. Put a fork in them. Exactly, well it's either him, Jim Fregosi or Phil Garner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Exactly, well it's either him, Jim Fregosi or Phil Garner. I'm sure Cito Gaston is still looking for a job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Nowhere in my post did I say that Rauch would be the ONLY thing we'd have to give up. Well then help us out here Heather.. "I wouldn't mind losing a Rauch for Beltran..." We can't see what's between "Rauch" and "for".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Thre is a HUGE difference being 4.5 games back of getting in the playoffs with ONE team ahead of you and 4.5 games back and EIGHT teams ahead of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 How about this scenario (please don't hurt me ) Sox trade for Carlos Beltran and Brad Lidge Astros get Jon Rauch, Aaron Rowand, Brian West and Daylan Holt Sox sign Beltran in offseason and Lidge is gone (last year of contract $300,000) Sox trade for Randy Johnson and Steve Finley D-Backs get Magglio Ordonez, Neal Cotts and Felix Diaz Johnson on board for one more year and Finley gone (last year of contract $6.75 million which the D-Backs pick up) Lineup for remainder of season: 2B Uribe/Harris CF Beltran LF Lee DH Thomas/Finley 1B Konerko RF Finley/Borchard SS Valentin 3B Crede C Burke/Alomar/Davis Rotation: Johnson Buehrle Garcia Loiaza Garland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 the hole in our line-up stems not from the OF, but from the catcher position. I'd rather see the team try to fill that spot than to get a CF. Sure he isn't an all-star, but Rowand's been pretty good for us in CF. Of course Beltran would be a wonderful addition to the team. However, I think Kendall could have a greater impact of the team since he would really shore up a weak spot in our line-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 This is what the REAL Beltran would do.... "I'm Carlos Beltran, i'm better then all of you and better then the team itself. I won't be here next year so I have no excuse to try that hard and I don't care if you losers ever win a world championship because i'll be a Yankee next year." Compare that to AROW's numbers he will but up and his hustle and desire to win here and that makes this move insane... Someone said that Houston was 6-10 with Beltran, they are not a bad team and he was such a me player he was able to put the nail in that coffin in a matter of weeks. We could never sign him, he will get more then he's worth, and it would ruin the chemistry of this team. NO MORE CHEMISTRY = NO MORE OZZIE BALL! I can't believe you all want to give up the farm for a ME player. AROW is doing great in CF and you just want to give up on him. WHAT THE HELL DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO GET CONSISTANT PLAYING TIME WITHOUT THE RUG PULLED OUT FROM UNDER HIM! Mark my words if we are dumb enough to trade arow then he would be a starting OF somewhere else next season and he will be successful, just like he would be this year if we'd just give him a chance. {Sorry just again over this Beltran talk } Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 This is what the REAL Beltran would do.... "I'm Carlos Beltran, i'm better then all of you and better then the team itself. I won't be here next year so I have no excuse to try that hard and I don't care if you losers ever win a world championship because i'll be a Yankee next year." was that his attitude last year when KC was doing great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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