SuperSteve Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 From Rotoworld: The Yankees announced today that Esteban Loaiza has been removed from the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I'll bet money that Loaiza will be back in a Sox uni next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Kenny-1 Cashman-0 Not really, but ya know... Like in family guy when Peter says "nice face Henise, yes me one you zero" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I would be happy to see loaiza back in a sox uniform...he was a two time all star for us in 2 years and a rotation with garcia,buerhle,contreares,loaizia, and garland would sure be a tough one to beat.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I would be happy to see loaiza back in a sox uniform...he was a two time all star for us in 2 years and a rotation with garcia,buerhle,contreares,loaizia, and garland would sure be a tough one to beat.... No, loaiza is back to his old form, maybe even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I would be happy to see loaiza back in a sox uniform...he was a two time all star for us in 2 years and a rotation with garcia,buerhle,contreares,loaizia, and garland would sure be a tough one to beat.... I thought I just told you over AIM.... Loaiza is DONE!.. We need to add a pitcher in FA along the calibur of Pavano or Clement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 We got 30 wins out of Loaiza in a season and a half. I think we lucked out immensely. Let's get a quality starter and forget about this retread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 No, loaiza is back to his old form, maybe even worse. Loaiza is worse than he was before I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I'll bet money that Loaiza will be back in a Sox uni next year How much money do you have? I'd be happy to take your hard earned cash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I would be happy to see loaiza back in a sox uniform...he was a two time all star for us in 2 years and a rotation with garcia,buerhle,contreares,loaizia, and garland would sure be a tough one to beat.... Why the love affair with former Sox players? Loaiza does not belong in the Sox rotation, now or in the future. HE was traded for a reason..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Wonder what we could have got for him last off season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Wonder what we could have got for him last off season? This is exactly the reason I think the Sox should seriously consider trading Shingo this offseason. He is a 1 inning pitcher. He is 35 years old. Its very possible the league catches up to him next year, maybe not, Doug Jones had a pretty good career throwing frisbees, but 40 innings per season is all Shingo has been used the last 6 or 7 years. If Shingo falters as a closer, using him for multiple innings doesn't appear to be an option. His salary goes up to $2.5 million next year, expecting him to be as good as this year would be unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I'd rather see him as a set-up man, but yeah I wouldn't mind trading him. (I'd like to trade everyone and start from scratch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quade36 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 This is exactly the reason I think the Sox should seriously consider trading Shingo this offseason. He is a 1 inning pitcher. He is 35 years old. Its very possible the league catches up to him next year, maybe not, Doug Jones had a pretty good career throwing frisbees, but 40 innings per season is all Shingo has been used the last 6 or 7 years. If Shingo falters as a closer, using him for multiple innings doesn't appear to be an option. His salary goes up to $2.5 million next year, expecting him to be as good as this year would be unfair. what????? You need a guy in relief to be a junk ball pitcher. 2.5 is normal for a good setup man, let alone a closer. Having him and Marte, and Politte, next year is key. Have all that change of speeds. Hopefully, Marte will pitch better next year. But keep SHINGO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I'll bet money that Loaiza will be back in a Sox uni next year If we can't get a top notch starter, we sign Loaiza for bout $2 or $3 mil to be the 4th or 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 In case you missed this, I'll repost it. It's what Don Cooper had to say about Loaiza after the trade was made: Esteban was throwing about 60-70 breaking pitches a game, including his cutter, and I think that Esteban has a worn-out and tired arm, since he was throwing so many breaking pitches. Plus, you have to remember that he had pitched way more innings than he ever had before. That's probably the main reason his velocity and command was much worse this time around than it was last year. I really feel that Loaiza has probably pitched his best last year. " He's done as a MLB starter, IMO. He'll probably become a valuable asset to some team who needs a long reliever/spot starter, but I think we witnessed the best year he'll ever have. His career statistics speak for themselves. Either way, I raise my glass to him for having his best season as a Sox player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I thought I just told you over AIM.... Loaiza is DONE!.. We need to add a pitcher in FA along the calibur of Pavano or Clement I totally agree. We traded him for a reason and it was total rapage inflicted on the Spankees by KW. Let's spend some of that cash we're gonna save not having Botch or Valentin's albatross contracts and get us one more quality starter to round out the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Thanks for the memories, Esteban, and best of luck wherever ELSE you play next year. The Sox need to go after someone else as a #1-4 starter in the offseason to put Garland down to his natural habitat at #5. Loaiza is NOT that guy, not anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 In case you missed this, I'll repost it. It's what Don Cooper had to say about Loaiza after the trade was made: Esteban was throwing about 60-70 breaking pitches a game, including his cutter, and I think that Esteban has a worn-out and tired arm, since he was throwing so many breaking pitches. Plus, you have to remember that he had pitched way more innings than he ever had before. That's probably the main reason his velocity and command was much worse this time around than it was last year. I really feel that Loaiza has probably pitched his best last year. " He's done as a MLB starter, IMO. He'll probably become a valuable asset to some team who needs a long reliever/spot starter, but I think we witnessed the best year he'll ever have. His career statistics speak for themselves. Either way, I raise my glass to him for having his best season as a Sox player. This is why ML scouts, pitching coaches and trainers get the big bucks - to indentify the exact cause of the velocity and control drop-off, and provided it's not injury-related, to come up with ways to fix it. If Cooper and Co. are not BSing us (which they probably are), then see if Loaiza can come to pre-ST showcase fresh, arm strenght built back up and ready to once again sling 93-94 mph fastballs and 89 mph cutters, with sharp command of his slider and change - as he did in '03. Then sign him. Unless, of course something is structurally wrong with his elbow/shouder..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I would be happy to see loaiza back in a sox uniform...he was a two time all star for us in 2 years and a rotation with garcia,buerhle,contreares,loaizia, and garland would sure be a tough one to beat.... One time deserved All-Star, one time to give Torre a chance to Scout him up close and personal. No way he deserved a spot ahead of Buerhle. What is even more fun is George is writting JR a check each of the next two years. They have nothing but salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Steinbrenner has to be pissed about E Lo right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Steinbrenner has to be pissed about E Lo right now. All this misguided gloating over swindling the Evil Empire cannot possibly end well. Karma. Instead of thanking our lucky stars that Contreras has a healthy (knock on wood) arm and might just give the Sox a tremendeous boost in the next 2 years, people are dancing in the streets essentially over the fact that Loaiza busted up his arm trying to carry the 2003 team into post-season and is unable to give the Yankees equitable value. Yankees, Steinbrenner, Cahsman. Torre will once again make the World Series this year. They might win it all. Where will Kenny "Great Swindler" Williams and the Sox be? I thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 This is why ML scouts, pitching coaches and trainers get the big bucks - to indentify the exact cause of the velocity and control drop-off, and provided it's not injury-related, to come up with ways to fix it. If Cooper and Co. are not BSing us (which they probably are), then see if Loaiza can come to pre-ST showcase fresh, arm strenght built back up and ready to once again sling 93-94 mph fastballs and 89 mph cutters, with sharp command of his slider and change - as he did in '03. Then sign him. Unless, of course something is structurally wrong with his elbow/shouder..... I don't think he's going to come just to be showcased. SOmeone is going to give him some decent money for a year and two, just hoping he can turn things around and get his velocity back up. I bet he still gets 3-4 mill a year and in my opinion, I'd rather see the Sox spend 4 mill more and get one of the 8 mill a year starters and then do a little work on the pen and then of course add a leadoff hitter or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 All this misguided gloating over swindling the Evil Empire cannot possibly end well. Karma. Instead of thanking our lucky stars that Contreras has a healthy (knock on wood) arm and might just give the Sox a tremendeous boost in the next 2 years, people are dancing in the streets over the fact Loaiza busted up his arm trying to carry the 2003 team into the post-season. Yankees, Steinbrenner, Cahsman. Torre will once again make the World Series this year. They might win it all. Where will Kenny "Great Swindler" Williams and the Sox be? I thought so. Very touching indeed....Anyways I'm not a Yankee hater, I'm just saying the Yankees probably aren't happy about Loaiza's performance and rightfully so, he's been terrible. We weren't happy with him when he was with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Very touching indeed....Anyways I'm not a Yankee hater, I'm just saying the Yankees probably aren't happy about Loaiza's performance and rightfully so, he's been terrible. We weren't happy with him when he was with the Sox. Regardless of the fact, this was a good deal by the Yanks. Jose wasn't going to be sucessful with them and they freed up a large portion of salary for the next two years. Now its not like the Yanks need to free up payroll, but its still a wise business move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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