CanOfCorn Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 From the Cubune: The White Sox acquired minor-league first baseman Travis Hinton Monday from the Milwaukee Brewers as the player to be named in the Carlos Lee trade. Hinton, 24, led Class A High Desert (California League) in almost every offensive category in 2004, batting .302 with 36 doubles, 22 home runs, 88 RBI and 80 runs scored in 137 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Yeah! Let's hope he becomes the talk of legends how a HoF 1st Baseman was thrown in as a PTMNL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Any of the experts know anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 03:56 PM) Any of the experts know anything? You're the analyst of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 24 years old is awfully old for High-A. Then again, he was pretty effectively blocked by Prince Fielder at 1B. Here's BA's stats page for the Brewers farm system. He doesn't walk too much (48 BB vs. 536 AB) but then again doesn't walk too little. .302/.367/.502 was his line, which is good for a 21 yr old first baseman in the California league, but not so great for a 24 year old. 19 errors at 1B - !!! He never hit above .277 before in the minors...maybe he is blossoming. Here's his prior performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 tidbit from a cali league chat. sounds like a fringe prospect. Q: Luke from St. Paul, MN asks: How close were Enrique Cruz and Travis Hinton to making the top twenty list. Cruz was the hottest hitter in the league in the second half and had good power numbers for a shortstop. Hinton, although old for the league, had good power numbers. A: Kevin Goldstein: Cruz has a big second half, but who you take into account that ballpark, he just wasn't as impressive. Hinton would rank higher than Cruz on a deeper list, but like Stavisky, he's limited defensively, will be 24 in November and has some big holes in his swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 04:05 PM) 24 years old is awfully old for High-A. Then again, he was pretty effectively blocked by Prince Fielder at 1B. Here's BA's stats page for the Brewers farm system. He doesn't walk too much (48 BB vs. 536 AB) but then again doesn't walk too little. .302/.367/.502 was his line, which is good for a 21 yr old first baseman in the California league, but not so great for a 24 year old. 19 errors at 1B - !!! He never hit above .277 before in the minors...maybe he is blossoming. Here's his prior performance. I have heard brewers fans say if he was not in a farm system with so many first baseman that he has a good shot of making it to the majors. Maybe they were just overating him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Best of luck to Travis. Do we have any 1B prospects of any value now that Casey Mighty Casey is in the OF? Maybe we'll see some of Travis in high A ball in the not too distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 It's better than nothing, but he can't run & I doubt he has any real chance of ever playing 1B for the CWS. So his value to the organiz is basically trade bait. In conclusion we gave Lee away for a specialist reliever who is likely to struggle in the AL, & a speedy OF who had a precipitous decline in his soph year at the plate. I still hate this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) It's better than nothing, but he can't run & I doubt he has any real chance of ever playing 1B for the CWS. So his value to the organiz is basically trade bait. In conclusion we gave Lee away for a specialist reliever who is likely to struggle in the AL, & a speedy OF who had a precipitous decline in his soph year at the plate. I still hate this trade. I was on the fence with this trade and this makes me begin to think we are behind out of the gate. I always liked Lee and I believe his upside is higher. In basketball it always seems whomever received the best player won. In this case, and if that holds true, this may not have been a good trade. Of course this always hinges on how the players perform the following seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I kind of like the move.. Pauly if he has any kind of year is as good as gone, WE can use gload for a year, and then if this kid pans out he could be in the majors by 07.. Not to shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Rogo > This guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 We didn't get equal value from the Brewers. I won't argue that. But it was also a salary dump. without getting rid of Lee, we probably don't get AJ or El Duque. That's the only way he can look at this trade without getting angry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) We didn't get equal value from the Brewers. I won't argue that. But it was also a salary dump. without getting rid of Lee, we probably don't get AJ or El Duque. That's the only way he can look at this trade without getting angry Excellent point. With the PTBNL we can call it a salary dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 without getting rid of Lee, we probably don't get AJ or El Duque. Not probably - we DON'T get either one. So we didn't trade Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik, Luis Vizcaino, and Travis Hinton. We also effectively acquired AJ Pierzynski and Orlando Hernandez. So basically, we got our leadoff man (unless he proves he's not fit for the job), a #3 starter (which obviously at the same time solidified our #5 spot), a good arm for our bullpen (can you ever have enough lively arms in the pen?), and a catcher who can actually handle himself at the plate for Carlos Lee. Advantage Sox IMSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Hmmmm.....OK then. That'd be awesome if he becomes and all-star or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Late bloomer maybe? I hope so for our sake if we do keep him around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Can you say trade bait??? All kw needs is for this guy to start putting up some more solid numbers in our system, and he will be dealt in the middle of this season for a vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 10:34 PM) Not probably - we DON'T get either one. So we didn't trade Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik, Luis Vizcaino, and Travis Hinton. We also effectively acquired AJ Pierzynski and Orlando Hernandez. So basically, we got our leadoff man (unless he proves he's not fit for the job), a #3 starter (which obviously at the same time solidified our #5 spot), a good arm for our bullpen (can you ever have enough lively arms in the pen?), and a catcher who can actually handle himself at the plate for Carlos Lee. Advantage Sox IMSO. Sorry for bringing back the past and harping on this again, but I still don't understand why Konerko couldn't be replaced in the trade instead of Lee... I mean -- while Podsednik is really good once he gets on the bases, he's really only had one good year in his major/minor league career. And, while Vizcaino is a nice player too, I really think that Konerko would be about equal to Vizcaino/Pods. Then again, if Podsednik has a 2003 like season, you'll hear no complaining from me, and the trade will be a total winner for us. But, I'd be so much happier right now if this team still had C-Lee, rather than Konerko. Oh well, the sun will rise tomorrow, I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) I was on the fence with this trade and this makes me begin to think we are behind out of the gate. I always liked Lee and I believe his upside is higher. In basketball it always seems whomever received the best player won. In this case, and if that holds true, this may not have been a good trade. Of course this always hinges on how the players perform the following seasons. I too did not like the Carlos Lee trade. Hinton doesn't make me feel any better about it. I keep thinking of the big trades made in past years that just didn't pan out: Ritchie, Colon, Koch... But, what is done is done and the points made that we wouldn't have some free agent signings are probably correct. You just have to play the waiting game. I just want the season to start and am willing to settle for Spring Training to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 11:27 PM) Sorry for bringing back the past and harping on this again, but I still don't understand why Konerko couldn't be replaced in the trade instead of Lee... Brewers have their first baseman. His name is Lyle Overbay and they traded a lot to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) Brewers have their first baseman. His name is Lyle Overbay and they traded a lot to get him. They did not trade alot to get him. They raped arizona in the sexson trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 24 + High Desert = Fills out a roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) They did not trade alot to get him. They raped arizona in the sexson trade. And Arizona wants to do the same with Baltimore in the Javier Vazquez. Whether Peter Angelos takes the bait though .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 11:30 PM) They did not trade alot to get him. They raped arizona in the sexson trade. Yes, they won that deal, but they gave up their best power hitter to get him. But that's besides the point really. The Brewers still have their 1st baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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