C_LEE45 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/basebal...ports-headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 No surprise there. I think PK is going to decide sooner rather than later. I'll be shocked if he hasn't picked a team before the end of this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 1 down, 1 to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 WTF!?!?!?!? From the article: The Orioles' initial offer to Konerko - made earlier this month - was four years for $50 million, before they countered with the five-year deal for $65 million Tuesday. Ironically, those are the exact terms of Albert Belle's contract when he signed with the Orioles before the 1999 season. Belle, a mercurial slugger, saw his career come to a premature end because of a degenerative hip condition. Citing a high-ranking White Sox official, The Sun reported in Tuesday's edition that Konerko has an arthritic hip condition. One Orioles official said the club is aware of the condition, which was apparently diagnosed years ago, but isn't deeply concerned. The White Sox aren't making any official comment on Konerko's hip, but one club official privately told the Chicago Tribune that the team was upset that the information had become public. Is this just plain Baltimore BS?!?!!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(OilCan @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 10:22 PM) WTF!?!?!?!? From the article: Is this just plain Baltimore BS?!?!!?? No. This has been known for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Maybe I missed it, if I did, sorry folks. From the Tuesday Baltimore Sun article - The White Sox, who got insurance if Konerko departs with last week's trade for first baseman/designated hitter Jim Thome, have reportedly given Konerko a deadline - next week's winter meetings - to decide what he wants to do. One high-ranking White Sox official said the world champions were wary to go to a fifth year on Konerko because of an arthritic hip condition. However, the source said the team would offer five years to its clubhouse leader if he is getting five-year proposals from other teams. OK, fire away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) No real suprise there, however it does tell me that money is not the only thing that is going to get Kong to his final destination. I dont think he is going to see a better offer than that, but I could be wrong... Exactly what I thought. The best the halos have to offer that can top us is that their in the west coast. I am sure the sox will be close if not offer the same contract as the angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 11:23 PM) No. This has been known for a while. Thanks R44.... OK then. IMO, it seems that the hip is not a bone of contention, no pun intended. So let's say Paulie signs a 5 yr $65 mil deal with the Sox, and a mutual option for a 6th year. Does that seem risky? Will it be worth the risk? IMO, yes it would be. Paulie's numbers have been going up, not down. If Paulie keeps getting treatment and conditioning to at least temper that hip, then I feel that his numbers won't falter. What does anyone else think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(OilCan @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) Thanks R44.... OK then. IMO, it seems that the hip is not a bone of contention, no pun intended. So let's say Paulie signs a 5 yr $65 mil deal with the Sox, and a mutual option for a 6th year. Does that seem risky? Will it be worth the risk? IMO, yes it would be. Paulie's numbers have been going up, not down. If Paulie keeps getting treatment and conditioning to at least temper that hip, then I feel that his numbers won't falter. What does anyone else think? Well the thing is that it can flare up anytime like Hermy and Crede's back problems or not bother him too much at all. Kong is a big man too so you hope it doesn't effect him too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Good comment. Kong looks to be in good shape. At least he's not rotund or obese. As long as he stays in great shape, then hopefully the hip will be a non-issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 SOunds kind of dumb to me to go 5 years if you are scared just because some other team will go 5. If you don't believe he can go 5 years, you shouldn't make the offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Isnt an arthritic hip what prematurely ended Albert Belle's career? I hope this isnt the same condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Why would the Sox be pissed about that information coming out? If they want to resign him, wouldn't that only help their chances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 11:41 PM) Isnt an arthritic hip what prematurely ended Albert Belle's career? I hope this isnt the same condition If he broke down and the O's signed him it would be the ultimate fool me once story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rventura23 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 looks like Paulie rejects O's offer, who were major players in getting him link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(OilCan @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 11:27 PM) OK then. IMO, it seems that the hip is not a bone of contention, no pun intended. Not intended, but pretty clever since the hip could literally be a bone of contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 11:41 PM) Isnt an arthritic hip what prematurely ended Albert Belle's career? I hope this isnt the same condition Yes, and it is. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 07:22 AM) Yes, and it is. :rolly If the hip gets too bad, maybe Paulie could get a robotic lower half of the body. You never know what science and the future have in store. He could become the first cyborg player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 yes, paulie!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 06:22 AM) Yes, and it is. :rolly I still think his 2003 struggles were hip- related. Paulie also looks thinner (not just his hair) to me the past couple of years, maybe to take some of weight and pressure off his hip? There was nothing noticeable about Belle's hip when he played for the White Sox, and considering how quickly he went from being basically an ironman playing every inning of every game to not being able to play at all, it would make me very leery of giving Konerko the same contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 02:13 PM) I still think his 2003 struggles were hip- related. Paulie also looks thinner (not just his hair) to me the past couple of years, maybe to take some of weight and pressure off his hip? There was nothing noticeable about Belle's hip when he played for the White Sox, and considering how quickly he went from being basically an ironman playing every inning of every game to not being able to play at all, it would make me very leery of giving Konerko the same contract. If you didn't know who he was, you'd never think PK was an athlete when you see him off the field. I saw him in the lobby of a hotel once, and was stunned at how thin he seemed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 11:41 PM) Isnt an arthritic hip what prematurely ended Albert Belle's career? I hope this isnt the same condition As Steff said it is, but it is not as advanced as what Belle's was at a similar age. It is a degenerative condition and there isn't a whole lot that can be done about it. It just needs to be monitored to see the changes. The biggest thing is to maintain his flexibility to keep the range of motion needed to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(ptatc @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) As Steff said it is, but it is not as advanced as what Belle's was at a similar age. It is a degenerative condition and there isn't a whole lot that can be done about it. It just needs to be monitored to see the changes. The biggest thing is to maintain his flexibility to keep the range of motion needed to play. Albert's went south around 32.. Albert was also a bigger guy with more muscle, and way more athletic then Paul. Factors to consider, but it's not a predictable condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 08:13 AM) I still think his 2003 struggles were hip- related. Paulie also looks thinner (not just his hair) to me the past couple of years, maybe to take some of weight and pressure off his hip? There was nothing noticeable about Belle's hip when he played for the White Sox, and considering how quickly he went from being basically an ironman playing every inning of every game to not being able to play at all, it would make me very leery of giving Konerko the same contract. not only did pauly play through 03 with the hip condition but the second half of 02 was as well. this thing is nothing new, hes had it for a long time and been productive with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Anyone think that this might be a little damage control by the Sox because they think PK is going to the Angels? You know, start to emphasize the hip condition as a reason why they didn't want to give him the 5th year on his deal, etc? Also, by no means am I criticizing the Sox for doing this. For that big of a contract, you better be sure that he's not a likely risk to have his health deteriorate a lot during the length of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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