knightni Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 DAMMIT! I about freaked out when I got an email update from whitesox.com. "White Sox Acquire Cabrera for Garland" Then, to find out it was Orlando not Miguel was like finding out your blind date is a model... for Lane Bryant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 04:29 PM) With "anoher deal imminent," being reported and Uribe possibly being shopped what are we going to see? I see us opening more holes, but Hunter in CF would be nice, but I like A-Row also. Uribe would be a real good super sub, but at $4.5M that probably won't happen. I don't see him as a 2B option either and it doesn't sound like KW does either and that's what counts obviously. Richar seems to be the leading candidate to stay at 2B. I see Crede or Fields as possible trade chips and we need help in the bullpen. Could that come from Japan? The move for Cabrera opens up more questions. I don't have a problem with Cabrera, but wish it was Contreras was the one that went in the deal and not Jon. Is Contreras still a trade option for the Sox? from what quote i saw from a-row, i dont think he's going to end up here. maybe it's just the way he was quoted, but he was quoted as basically saying, yeah, i talked to kenny. no comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 04:29 PM) Not that it matters, but Levine said he was positive Konerko was going to be dealt. but to who? i would have figured the angels, but we just completed a deal with them. to the dodgers, then?? eh, dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I wonder if Yanks could be interested in Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:29 PM) With "anoher deal imminent," being reported and Uribe possibly being shopped what are we going to see? I see us opening more holes, but Hunter in CF would be nice, but I like A-Row also. Uribe would be a real good super sub, but at $4.5M that probably won't happen. I don't see him as a 2B option either and it doesn't sound like KW does either and that's what counts obviously. Richar seems to be the leading candidate to stay at 2B. I see Crede or Fields as possible trade chips and we need help in the bullpen. Could that come from Japan? The move for Cabrera opens up more questions. I don't have a problem with Cabrera, but wish it was Contreras was the one that went in the deal and not Jon. Is Contreras still a trade option for the Sox? No one is reporting that another deal is imminent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 04:42 PM) I wonder if Yanks could be interested in Konerko. ill take phil hughes please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:26 AM) The current direction? What is that? A blind attempt at competing in this division? Even with Miguel Cabrera, we don't stand a chance to compete with Detroit and Cleveland with our current pitching staff. If anything, I think the perfect fit for the current direction of the Sox to trade guys away. Now that's a winning attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 04:29 PM) Not that it matters, but Levine said he was positive Konerko was going to be dealt. Not to nit pick your quote but did Levine state that he WAS positive in that he thought the Angels were trying to get Konerko for Cabrera and was wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 If the Sox were to trade PK, who would play first? I really hope KW doesn't plan on having Fields at 1b and Crede at 3b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 12:17 PM) To me all this trade does is raise more questions as to how the team will ultimately look. More will happen, this is just a start and I will reserve some judgement until the picture becomes clearer. However I agree with most of the sentiment here, it would've been nice to get more for Garland. It will be interesting to read Williams' comments on this move. I am really quite surprised that we did not pick up bullpen help from the angels. but this trade as bad as it is, will be based on the cash we get to use on another free agent like Hunter or rowand, and then you will hear KW talk about how strong we are up the middle. Very sorry to hear this happen, Garland will sign long term with the angels as he is back in california where he wants to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTebow15 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I think this trade is better than some think. The Angel fans on scout.com are p!ssed, just like us. We are mad b/c we are losing a liked player, and so are they. This is a small salary dump (about $3M) and that can be spent elsewhere. This also gives us the flexibility to trade Uribe. An insider on Yahoo.com said Garland is a #3 starter (maybe on a GOOD team-sorry no link). I think some of us here may be overrating Garland. Also, don't forget the winter meetings have yet to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 09:42 AM) I wonder if Yanks could be interested in Konerko. What would they give up though? The big 3 of Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy is basically untouchable on their end. Unless it was a 3 way deal, but then we would need a replacement at 1B (Miggy is really the only guy I can see here, unless we traded for a Richie Sexson on the cheap, and hope he rebounds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Why couldn't this trade have been made BEFORE the Sox were dealing with Uribe's contract? Is it going to be easier to dump Uribe at this point than it would've been to acquire Cabrera after declining Uribe's option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Way to start a new, useless thread. IBTL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 A little help here, please. I haven't been able to check this thread for about 2 hours with the commute home, cooking, etc. Is there anything new since then? I don't feel like reading 10 pages of what is probably a lot of back-and-forth debate on how much this trade sucks or may suck eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:29 PM) Not that it matters, but Levine said he was positive Konerko was going to be dealt. Did he say that today on air? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 10:03 AM) Why couldn't this trade have been made BEFORE the Sox were dealing with Uribe's contract? Is it going to be easier to dump Uribe at this point than it would've been to acquire Cabrera after declining Uribe's option? I imagine the Sox think that with the weak FA market for SS, and Eckstein asking for 4/36, the Sox think that a team needing a SS, may come to them instead. If you can get a prospect out of it, then it's been worth it, rather than letting Uribe go for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 03:23 PM) A little help here, please. I haven't been able to check this thread for about 2 hours with the commute home, cooking, etc. Is there anything new since then? I don't feel like reading 10 pages of what is probably a lot of back-and-forth debate on how much this trade sucks or may suck eventually. Other than KW saying he's still trying to land a big fish, no. Probably also worth noting we don't know how much money is coming back, but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 if we trade konerko i would peg us as instant front runners to land miguel cabrera or carl crawford, assuming we landed soem young prospects for pk and they would be packaged in some sort with some package of gio/dls/sweeney etc to get one of those guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 06:24 PM) Other than KW saying he's still trying to land a big fish, no. Probably also worth noting we don't know how much money is coming back, but that's about it. That's mostly what I wanted to know. Thank you. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(daa84 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 05:26 PM) if we trade konerko i would peg us as instant front runners to land miguel cabrera or carl crawford, assuming we landed soem young prospects for pk and they would be packaged in some sort with some package of gio/dls/sweeney etc to get one of those guys The angels should have been target #1 for this as they could have throw us Kotchman plus spects perhaps with Garland in the package. I would say there are only a handful of other teams that need both a 1B and have the spects that we desire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 QUOTE(Harvin4Heisman @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:54 PM) I think this trade is better than some think. The Angel fans on scout.com are p!ssed, just like us. We are mad b/c we are losing a liked player, and so are they. This is a small salary dump (about $3M) and that can be spent elsewhere. This also gives us the flexibility to trade Uribe. An insider on Yahoo.com said Garland is a #3 starter (maybe on a GOOD team-sorry no link). I think some of us here may be overrating Garland. Also, don't forget the winter meetings have yet to happen You only over value Garland if you listen to the Angels whine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The hot flash of anger to general acceptance in this thread reminds me of menopause. Let's judge this trade like the Carlos Lee trade. Trading Lee opened up a lot of acquisitions for the Sox as we all know. Let's wait to judge this trade at least until April or whenever Ozzie gives Cabrera a start at first that ends his season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I would be extremely pissed if they trade Paulie. He is one of Kenny's main guys in the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I wonder if Yanks could be interested in Konerko. We are thinking the same on this one. Like Chisoxfn said yesterday, lots of teams would be interested in Konerko. Whether there's a fit or not is another story. With Williams all but saying more deals are imminent, my guess is they're not nickel and dime trades. He also said today he's having trouble acquiring bullpen help so it may take a bigger trading chip to get something done. It is clear though, he is targeting good defensive players which will help a pitching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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