chw42 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 06:53 PM) If you double the financial commitment, you should win. It's not like the 60 mil is all charged on us in a year or two. It's spread out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:53 PM) He's also not the 'roider that Ibanez allegedly is. Who alleges this? I am pretty sure this is an incorrect allegation based on his outrage over that article earlier this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:55 PM) I hope so, they are committing more money to him than they gave Mark Buerhle. Rios plays 162 games per season, he should be making more than a pitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:49 PM) Raul Ibanez - 37 $11 million per year for 3 years. WAR since 2004 - 14.7 Milton Bradley - 31 $10 million per year for 3 years. WAR since 2004 - 16 Adam Dunn - 29 $10 million per year for 2 years. WAR since 2004 - 15.5 Alex Rios - 28 $12 million per year for 5 years. WAR since 2004 - 17.5 We win. Alex Rios > Tori Hunter > GMJr Hunter $18M through 2012 GMJr $11M in 2010, $12M in 2011 Rios $9.7M in 2010, $12M 2011-12, $12.5M in 2013-14, $13.5M club option ($1M buyout) in 2015 So yeah, we win and f*** THE ANGELS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I think this is going to work out either very well, or go very wrong. I think its going to depend on how guys like Quentin and Beckham develop. IMO Rios is more of a complementary player, not a star, and might be more comfortable playing 3rd or 4th fiddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 05:54 PM) You know this how? I'm not the only one speculating about Ibanez. His OPS+ has increased steadily since age 34 (115) to a whopping 150 at age 37. Most players don't put up 10-35 points above their career average at that age without pharmaceutical enhancement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:57 PM) Alex Rios > Tori Hunter > GMJr Hunter $18M through 2012 GMJr $11M in 2010, $12M in 2011 Rios $9.7M in 2010, $12M 2011-12, $12.5M in 2013-14, $13.5M club option ($1M buyout) in 2015 So yeah, we win and f*** THE ANGELS I was asking what he would get after this season if he was a FA. Hunter and GM Jr. were signed in different economic times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:57 PM) Alex Rios > Tori Hunter > GMJr Hunter $18M through 2012 GMJr $11M in 2010, $12M in 2011 Rios $9.7M in 2010, $12M 2011-12, $12.5M in 2013-14, $13.5M club option ($1M buyout) in 2015 So yeah, we win and f*** THE ANGELS Jesus, what in the holy f*** were they thinking with GM Jr? That dude made one catch and is set for life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Jose Contreras made more money this year than Alex Rios will make next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:59 PM) I was asking what he would get after this season if he was a FA. Hunter and GM Jr. were signed in different economic times. You're wrong. Rios was given an extension before ST last year, aka the 2007-2008 offseason, the same offseason Hunter signed. And it was only the year before that when GMJr signed (the 06-07 offseason). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:01 PM) Jesus, what in the holy f*** were they thinking with GM Jr? That dude made one catch and is set for life He also hit pretty damn well too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 09:01 PM) Jesus, what in the holy f*** were they thinking with GM Jr? That dude made one catch and is set for life Maybe they'll want Dewayne Wise too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:59 PM) I was asking what he would get after this season if he was a FA. Hunter and GM Jr. were signed in different economic times. But why does that matter? We couldn't have signed him for less in the off season. We also could be stuck with Fukedome or Hunter for the same money. Its not like our payroll is 40 million, we still have money left even after Peavy/Rios additions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 08:02 PM) He also hit pretty damn well too... ^^^^ Players like to up their game in a contract year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 08:03 PM) ^^^^ Players like to up their game in a contract year. Especially in Texas. When will GM's learn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 06:03 PM) ^^^^ Players like to up their game in a contract year. And he Mitchell Reported his way up that year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 08:02 PM) You're wrong. Rios was given an extension before ST last year, aka the 2007-2008 offseason, the same offseason Hunter signed. And it was only the year before that when GMJr signed (the 06-07 offseason). I'm not wrong. I'm asking a hypothetical question because the Sox just picked him up for nothing. Rios was given this contract in a different economic time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4390120 Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi said the move was not "a financial dump," but acknowledged that Toronto needs "more financial flexibility." LOL, Just say it JP, its a financial dump. Kenny is on the score right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:45 PM) Ibanez got 3 years $31 million. In fact, Manny and Texiera were the only non pitchers to get more than $31 million. Rios is owed $60 million. He's got himself a good deal. He's not the hitter Ibanez is. just get to the point and state your beef with Rios. You are bringing up players that arent even closely related to what Rios is just to prove a point, I am just not sure what your point actually is. Rios's contract should be compared with Rowand and Hunter, not over the hill corner OF'er/DH's on their last legs in a recession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well, I was against it, but now I'm going to root for this guy. He is way overpaid for sub-800 OPS production, but I hope to God that he earns his money over the life of the contract. Some positive thinking for you: 1993 - Sox pull Ellis Burks (OF) off of the scrap heap - he puts up a 114 OPS+ and helps the Sox to the playoffs 1994 - Sox pull Julio Franco (DH) off of the scrap heap - he puts up a 136 OPS+ and helps the Sox to the division lead in the strike season 1994 - Sox pull Darrin Jackson (OF) off of the scrap heap - he puts up a 111 OPS+ and has one of the best seasons of his career 1995 - Sox pull Mike Devereaux (OF) off the the scrap heap - he puts up a 115 OPS+ and gets flipped mid-season. 1995 - Sox pull Dave Martinez (OF) off of the scrap heap - he puts up OPS+ of 113, 122 (career high) and 104 on the cheap for 3 years 1996 - Sox pull Danny Tartabull (OF) off of the scrap heap - he puts up OPS+ of 111 and knocks in 101 runs. 1996 - Sox pull Harold Baines (DH) off of the scrap heap - he puts up OPS+ of 132 1999 - Sox pull Chris Singleton (OF) off of the scrap heap - he puts up OPS+ of 105 and locks down a shaky CF position for playoff team in 2000 2005 - Sox pull Jermaine Dye (OF) off of the scrap heap - the rest is history 2008 - Sox pull Carlos Quentin (OF) off of the scrap heap - TCQ. So the Sox have had a great history of picking up discarded OF over the last 15-20 years. I hope it continues and isn't a Cory Snyder situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 KW on The Score, right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 07:15 PM) Cowley says Kenny was trying to get Rios before the deadline anyway. Puts the "block Detroit" stuff to rest. I never put any stock into that speculation anyway. Rios was too good of a fit for us when I heard the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2009 -> 02:08 AM) just get to the point and state your beef with Rios. He's no Juan Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 08:06 PM) I'm not wrong. I'm asking a hypothetical question because the Sox just picked him up for nothing. Rios was given this contract in a different economic time. And in the next offseason it will be a different economic time than this one. Whats the point? This offseason was an outlier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 KW just confirmed that Kotsay is still on the team. Another nail in D-Wheezey's coffin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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