June 19, 201015 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 07:53 PM) Lebron making me hate him more and more each day. But his ego might be what lands him in Chicago. I can't stand the guy at the moment but I'll be the first person to buy his jersey if he signs here.
June 19, 201015 yr I think the persistent Bynum for Bosh scenario makes far more sense if Bynum's knee is relatively fine. However, it wouldn't totally surprise me if something like this happened: Cleveland sends- Shaq, sign-and-trade for one year to match salaries, something like 18 mil J.J. Hickson, could probably average something like 12-7 if given 30 MPG, about 1.5 mil 2 first round picks Anderson Varejao to add a bit more basketball value, $7 mil possibly some more salary filler like Anthony Parker or Jamario Moon Toronto sends- Bosh, obviously sign-and-trade at max, 16.6 mil I think Hedo Turkoglu, a contract they want to dump anyways, 9.8 mil Possibly some salary filler like Reggie Evans or Marcus Banks Toronto would add some much needed toughness and rebounding in size and would get a ton of salary relief next season when they let Shaq walk. It looks a lot like the Gasol deal, but they don't have as much leverage in a sign and trade. Lineup would look something like this: PG- Calderon, Jack SG- Bellinelli/pick like Anderson/Henry/George/Bradley SF- DeRozan/same as above, possibly Bargs at SF PF- Bargnani/Hickson/Varejao C- Shaq/Varejao/Hickson They'd still kind of suck, but that's likely to happen without Bosh anyways unless they like Bynum. Cleveland would obviously become very tough to stop with Lebron, Bosh and Williams, Jamison and Turkoglu as complementary scorers. They'd probably need to use the MLE on a defensive minded center. Edited June 19, 201015 yr by ZoomSlowik
June 19, 201015 yr But then Toronto would be stuck paying $20 million for Shaq, basically with the only real benefit being that $18 million is cheaper than what is left on Turkoglu's contract. And on top of that, the year that they'd be getting out from Shaq's contract, they'd be staring at a lockout.
June 19, 201015 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) But then Toronto would be stuck paying $20 million for Shaq, basically with the only real benefit being that $18 million is cheaper than what is left on Turkoglu's contract. And on top of that, the year that they'd be getting out from Shaq's contract, they'd be staring at a lockout. Unloading Turkoglu is a pretty major benefit, he's unhappy there, sucked this past year, and has over $40 mil left on his deal. You're going to have to take back a pretty large contract in most cases anyways to match Bosh. At least Shaq's would be an expiring deal instead of taking someone like Deng or overpaying David Lee for the next 6 years. Bynum is a far better player and probably their best option, but he still makes $14 mil a year and appears to be injury prone. Miami doesn't really have anything to move in a sign and trade, and I believe the Clippers were his last team with Kaman and Davis as the only contracts they could really take. Having an expiring deal entering the lockout could actually be a bonus since in the new CBA max deals are likely to be an awful lot less money, giving them more bang for their buck. As I said, it's far from a good deal, but might be their most appealing option. They'd dump a lot of salary and still get back some relatively useful pieces. Edited June 19, 201015 yr by ZoomSlowik
June 19, 201015 yr I think Hedo will end up back in Sacramento somehow if they can make a deal work. Geoff Petrie's still a pretty big fan of his.
June 19, 201015 yr QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 04:58 PM) I think Hedo will end up back in Sacramento somehow if they can make a deal work. Geoff Petrie's still a pretty big fan of his. Sacto has had as bad of financial problems as anyone though.
June 19, 201015 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 01:42 PM) I can't stand the guy at the moment but I'll be the first person to buy his jersey if he signs here. Ditto
June 19, 201015 yr QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 05:28 PM) Ditto I don't buy anything until they win something.
June 19, 201015 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 04:36 PM) Can we finally name a December 31st NCAA football game "Manute" in his honor? haha I'm for that
June 19, 201015 yr Cleveland's gonna offer up Mo Williams, Jamsion and Hickson for Bosh and Calderon apparently.
June 19, 201015 yr QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 05:06 PM) Cleveland's gonna offer up Mo Williams, Jamsion and Hickson for Bosh and Calderon apparently. Toronto should laugh at that.
June 19, 201015 yr QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 06:09 PM) Toronto should laugh at that. That's about the best offer they can make.
June 20, 201015 yr At least I was half-right, offering to take a bad contract (Calderon) off the books for Toronto in a Bosh deal. Mo and Jamison is pretty bad though, they're due $46 mil combined over the next two seasons, plus Mo has another player option year. Toronto would still be mediocre at best and stuck with just as many bad contracts.
June 20, 201015 yr QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 05:09 PM) Toronto should laugh at that. Especially when the Lakers can offer Bynum and the Bulls can off Deng + Taj
June 20, 201015 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 19, 2010 -> 01:42 PM) I can't stand the guy at the moment but I'll be the first person to buy his jersey if he signs here. If my wildest dreams of Lebron & Bosh come true. I'm getting player t-shirts of the entire starting five.
June 20, 201015 yr QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 01:20 AM) If my wildest dreams of Lebron & Bosh come true. I'm getting player t-shirts of the entire starting five. Kirk (assuming he is SG still) and Noah don't have player t-shirts. And it angers me greatly
June 20, 201015 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 08:53 PM) Lebron making me hate him more and more each day. But his ego might be what lands him in Chicago. Well the comment is kinda like Krause saying "organizations win championships." It's true but players will get mad hearing it. I think LeBron's brain is saying Chicago (or somewhere) and his heart is saying Cleveland. Right now, he is just looking for any perceived slight to push him in a certain direction. The Cavs have handled the whole thing very poorly.
June 20, 201015 yr QUOTE (G&T @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 10:32 AM) Well the comment is kinda like Krause saying "organizations win championships." It's true but players will get mad hearing it. I think LeBron's brain is saying Chicago (or somewhere) and his heart is saying Cleveland. Right now, he is just looking for any perceived slight to push him in a certain direction. The Cavs have handled the whole thing very poorly. Kobe 5 rings. Lebron 0. This is our only hope. That he's insanely jealous of Kobe's success and realizes that a #2 man the caliber of Rose and a Rodman-like rebounder/defender/enforcer like Noah immediately puts him in the best position to win a title in 2011.
June 21, 201015 yr Something else Toronto is probably laughing at. http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives...in_free_agency/
June 21, 201015 yr QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 08:48 AM) Something else Toronto is probably laughing at. http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives...in_free_agency/ In any other season he'd be right. Of course, if he wants to be "The man" and wants to be treated as such, then he ought to have taken steps to publicly shoot down the "I want to play with Lebron" stuff, or the "Bosh to the Lakers" stuff, because if you're going to a team adding LBJ, or the team with Kobe, Gasol, and 2 straight rings, you're the afterthought.
June 21, 201015 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 08:04 AM) In any other season he'd be right. Of course, if he wants to be "The man" and wants to be treated as such, then he ought to have taken steps to publicly shoot down the "I want to play with Lebron" stuff, or the "Bosh to the Lakers" stuff, because if you're going to a team adding LBJ, or the team with Kobe, Gasol, and 2 straight rings, you're the afterthought. I'm a Bosh fan, but does anything about his career really shout out "best player on a championship team?" I understand that he has been the best player on a mediocre team for the majority of his career, but I have never really gotten the feeling that he has the drive or leadership potential to be THE MAN. I actually think he is an ideal #2 option on a team that wins multiple championships. just my .02
June 21, 201015 yr QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 10:53 AM) I'm a Bosh fan, but does anything about his career really shout out "best player on a championship team?" I understand that he has been the best player on a mediocre team for the majority of his career, but I have never really gotten the feeling that he has the drive or leadership potential to be THE MAN. I actually think he is an ideal #2 option on a team that wins multiple championships. just my .02 24 ppg and 10 rebounds per game, those are "Best player on a championship team" sort of numbers. Better scoring rate than Howard, for example. His PER was 4th in the NBA, better than Duncan or Howard. The only 3 better than him were James, Wade, and Durant. You're not going to win with just him, but you put him on a team with 2 other possible all-stars like Rose and Noah, with good depth like Deng, Hinrich, and hopefully some other SG behind him, and yeah, he could easily be the best player on a championship level team.
June 21, 201015 yr The knock on Bosh has always been his defensive ability IIRC. But putting Noah next to him seems like a pretty good solution I'd say.
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