Wanne Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 10. Cardinals: Is this the end for La Russa? The Cubs' one-sided sweep last week in St. Louis left him uncharacteristically candid, calling the situation "troubling.'' The Cardinals were built to win over the short term but haven't responded to La Russa. He said last spring he wouldn't manage elsewhere if he left the Cardinals, but circumstances change. He would be a great choice for the Yankees or White Sox if they lost Girardi or Guillen, and he's being mentioned for the Mariners job, possibly with Whitey Herzog-style influence on personnel. 11. White Sox: Will Reinsdorf allow the Marlins to talk to Guillen, who is signed through 2012? He wouldn't have a year ago, but Guillen and his son Oney have been far too public about "White Sox business,'' as Williams calls it. Plus Reinsdorf might have a chance to take a mulligan for his 1986 firing of La Russa. Don't get me wrong...I love Ozzie...but I'd take Tony any day of the week...and twice on Sundays. Anybody think there could be any merit to this fluff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I would be so happy if this happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 04:26 PM) I would be so happy if this happened. Until one of our players winds up dead via DUI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 With LaRussa comes one of the few pitching coaches that are as good as Don Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I don't want LaRussa if it means no more Cooper like some people are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Is LaRussa really that much better than Ozzie Guillen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted September 18, 2010 Author Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 02:27 PM) Until one of our players winds up dead via DUI. C'mon Balta.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 03:30 PM) Is LaRussa really that much better than Ozzie Guillen? http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/larusto01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 04:34 PM) C'mon Balta.... It's not unfair once it's happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 03:36 PM) It's not unfair once it's happened. Im sure LaRussa forced him to drink and drive. Probably forced Darryl Kile to smoke weed too. It is unfair, these are grown men who are responsible for themselves, LaRussa is responsible for what they do on the field, not off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 03:36 PM) It's not unfair once it's happened. And what exactly does that have to do with Larussa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) My Cardinals fan friend always b****es about how La Russa loves to use crappy players like Stavinhova, Mather, and Schumaker. Looks like every manager has a certain obsession with grindy players... Plus, he tends to overmanage the bullpen a lot. Edited September 18, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 03:34 PM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/larusto01.shtml If you are comparing a man with 32 years experience to a guy with 7 years, then its really only fair to look at their first 7 seasons and Ozzie's are much more impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 03:54 PM) If you are comparing a man with 32 years experience to a guy with 7 years, then its really only fair to look at their first 7 seasons and Ozzie's are much more impressive. Ozzie Guillen has nothing on LaRussa's resume as a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 32 years 4918 2628 2287 .535 2.8 5 Pennants and 2 World Series Titles 7 years 1120 591 529 .528 2.3 1 Pennant and 1 World Series Title So what exactly am I missing here Sqwert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 03:57 PM) Ozzie Guillen has nothing on LaRussa's resume as a manager. No s***, Larussa has 25 more years on him, if you look at their first 7 seasons, Ozzie's are more impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 03:58 PM) No s***, Larussa has 25 more years on him, if you look at their first 7 seasons, Ozzie's are more impressive. You also have to consider that LaRussa managed in a completely different era in those first 7 years. He had to be the best of 7 teams to make the playoffs. Had Ozzie been in that generation, he might have gotten to the playoffs once, not so impressive now, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 04:02 PM) You also have to consider that LaRussa managed in a completely different era in those first 7 years. He had to be the best of 7 teams to make the playoffs. Had Ozzie been in that generation, he might have gotten to the playoffs once, not so impressive now, is it? I don't really care what might have happened, all I know for sure is what did happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted September 18, 2010 Author Share Posted September 18, 2010 I guess what I'm saying is maybe...just maybe the players on this roster would respond to somebody of LaRussa's stature differently. Who knows...I could be a worse response. Plus...you'd have to factor in how Paulie'd feel about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 05:12 PM) I guess what I'm saying is maybe...just maybe the players on this roster would respond to somebody of LaRussa's stature differently. Who knows...I could be a worse response. Plus...you'd have to factor in how Paulie'd feel about it. Well, I think we can at least say Colby Rasmus wouldn't be signing with the White Sox at any point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) Well, I think we can at least say Colby Rasmus wouldn't be signing with the White Sox at any point. I have been thinking about how great it would be to add Rasmus since that "trade me" incident. Pierre-Rios-Rasmus OF would be great. Edited September 18, 2010 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Been there, done that, would rather have Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 05:29 PM) I have been thinking about how great it would be to add Rasmus since that "trade me" incident. Pierre-Rios-Rasmus OF would be great. You know...I wonder if Rasmus for Quentin...might not fit the needs of both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 04:51 PM) You know...I wonder if Rasmus for Quentin...might not fit the needs of both Not even close. Rasmus is worth tons. Quentin is worth little. Mozeliak hangs up laughing. Edited September 18, 2010 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 03:30 PM) I don't want LaRussa if it means no more Cooper like some people are saying. Why not? If the Ozzie/Walker haters used the same standards and apply them to Coop, he should be the out the door. Outside of having a reputation most on this staff (long term) have shown more signs of regression. So his reputation has overshadowed his works. The pitching staff is the #1 reason why they might finish in 2nd and hopefully not 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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