Texsox Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 21, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) You know what's bothering me the most about this post? It's the part I bolded. First of all, how f***ed up is it that the manager and GM are "having a battle for the affections of the boss"? That sort of thing is complete crap. Their job is to do their job. And in multiple years in a row, it hasn't happened. And it hasn't just been a 1 year nightmare. The guy who got the owner's affection the year beforehand was the manager, he got the soft hitting DH he so wanted, and it wound up being a disaster just as much. I agree as I wrote the original post. However, I wish instead I had said the direction of the team, or something better. But bottom line, their fighting cost this team a lot. The players were the bigger problem, but no doubt in my mind, their antics were a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I just hope the Ozzie haters don't find a way to blame the upcoming season on him. Seriously I don't know what some people are going to do if/when the team heads south this season. Who are the Oz haters going to blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 21, 2012 -> 10:36 PM) I just hope the Ozzie haters don't find a way to blame the upcoming season on him. Seriously I don't know what some people are going to do if/when the team heads south this season. Who are the Oz haters going to blame? In no particular order: KW JR Adam Dunn Barack Obama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (BigHurt @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 04:43 AM) In no particular order: KW JR Adam Dunn Barack Obama Sounds good to me. I'm not going to get all over Robin cause a.) I don't think the manager matters much; if we have a bad team his decisions are really going to look back just cause the players failed him. b.) everybody says he's a good baseball man and good person. I really hope several of the Sox overachieve. Last season it looked like it was a chore for those guys to go to the ballpark everyday with some exceptions (Paulie, AJ, Mark, dare I say Pierre, CQ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 21, 2012 -> 10:36 PM) I just hope the Ozzie haters don't find a way to blame the upcoming season on him. Seriously I don't know what some people are going to do if/when the team heads south this season. Who are the Oz haters going to blame? I dunno, the fact that we're knowingly rebuilding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 21, 2012 -> 11:00 PM) Sounds good to me. I'm not going to get all over Robin cause a.) I don't think the manager matters much; if we have a bad team his decisions are really going to look back just cause the players failed him. b.) everybody says he's a good baseball man and good person. I really hope several of the Sox overachieve. Last season it looked like it was a chore for those guys to go to the ballpark everyday with some exceptions (Paulie, AJ, Mark, dare I say Pierre, CQ). You've sure spent a lot of time your soapbox defending someone that doesn't matter much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 21, 2012 -> 11:00 PM) Sounds good to me. I'm not going to get all over Robin cause a.) I don't think the manager matters much; if we have a bad team his decisions are really going to look back just cause the players failed him. b.) everybody says he's a good baseball man and good person. I really hope several of the Sox overachieve. Last season it looked like it was a chore for those guys to go to the ballpark everyday with some exceptions (Paulie, AJ, Mark, dare I say Pierre, CQ). So if the manager doesn't matter much, why do you give Ozzie all the credit for 2005? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 21, 2012 -> 10:36 PM) I just hope the Ozzie haters don't find a way to blame the upcoming season on him. Seriously I don't know what some people are going to do if/when the team heads south this season. Who are the Oz haters going to blame? The funny part is despite the depleted roster, someone, at some point, will look at their record and say that we would have been better with Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 08:14 AM) Easy to do. he may have destroyed Dunn's career. He turned Rios into an underachiever, and probably mismanaged the entire pitching staff putting them into position for major injuries this year. The damage he did will take years to undo. Their may be seeds in reality here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 06:42 AM) I dunno, the fact that we're knowingly rebuilding? QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 10:21 AM) So if the manager doesn't matter much, why do you give Ozzie all the credit for 2005? 1.) The way it stands right now, with the roster as is, this team is not rebuilding. Now if more deals are made, maybe u could call it that. You got Konerko (veteran) at first, Lexi (vet) at ss, AJ (vet) at catcher, Rios (vet in center), Dunn (vet) at DH; tons of veteran pitchers. How can you say the team is knowingly rebuilding. With Morel and DeAza and Tank and Sale and a couple young relievers? Humber/Zach is not rebuilding. Those are going to be journeymen type pitchers at best. 2.) I never gave Ozzie all the credit for 05. You guys make up so much stuff about what I allegedly say and feel. People have accused me of backing the 05 players too much. I support Ozzie cause he simply, makes me laugh my ass off in interviews. He is hilarious and is as good a manager as you can find, as well. When he did the hulk gesture to bring in Jenks ... that was hilarious and what sports should be about. Not serious all the time and teams charging 50 bucks for parking and 10 bucks for a beer. And the more I think about it the more pissed I get at the Santos trade and getting rid of Buehrle. Letting Mark go is very very sick and sad. Edited January 22, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 10:40 AM) 1.) The way it stands right now, with the roster as is, this team is not rebuilding. Now if more deals are made, maybe u could call it that. You got Konerko (veteran) at first, Lexi (vet) at ss, AJ (vet) at catcher, Rios (vet in center), Dunn (vet) at DH; tons of veteran pitchers. How can you say the team is knowingly rebuilding. With Morel and DeAza and Tank and Sale and a couple young relievers? Humber/Zach is not rebuilding. Those are going to be journeymen type pitchers at best. 2.) I never gave Ozzie all the credit for 05. You guys make up so much stuff about what I allegedly say and feel. People have accused me of backing the 05 players too much. I support Ozzie cause he simply, makes me laugh my ass off in interviews. He is hilarious and is as good a manager as you can find, as well. When he did the hulk gesture to bring in Jenks ... that was hilarious and what sports should be about. Not serious all the time and teams charging 50 bucks for parking and 10 bucks for a beer. And the more I think about it the more pissed I get at the Santos trade and getting rid of Buehrle. Letting Mark go is very very sick and sad. You do realize that them charging $25 for parking and $8 for beer is what allows the team to keep players like Paulie?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 10:40 AM) 1.) The way it stands right now, with the roster as is, this team is not rebuilding. Now if more deals are made, maybe u could call it that. You got Konerko (veteran) at first, Lexi (vet) at ss, AJ (vet) at catcher, Rios (vet in center), Dunn (vet) at DH; tons of veteran pitchers. How can you say the team is knowingly rebuilding. With Morel and DeAza and Tank and Sale and a couple young relievers? Humber/Zach is not rebuilding. Those are going to be journeymen type pitchers at best. 2.) I never gave Ozzie all the credit for 05. You guys make up so much stuff about what I allegedly say and feel. People have accused me of backing the 05 players too much. I support Ozzie cause he simply, makes me laugh my ass off in interviews. He is hilarious and is as good a manager as you can find, as well. When he did the hulk gesture to bring in Jenks ... that was hilarious and what sports should be about. Not serious all the time and teams charging 50 bucks for parking and 10 bucks for a beer. And the more I think about it the more pissed I get at the Santos trade and getting rid of Buehrle. Letting Mark go is very very sick and sad. In your post, you say that Ozzie is as good a manager as you can find, but earlier you said the manager doesn't matter? I believe you have predicted that Ozzie will win a WS in Florida because he will keep improving as a manager. It made no sense for the Sox to give Mark the same amount of money that Miami did, no one else gave him such a large contract offer. He wasn't really offering a hometown discount like last time, he took the highest contract offered to him. Not really sure how that constitutes "very very sick". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 It's very telling that he listed Ozzie being funny first, before claiming he was a good manager in his list of reason why he loves Ozzie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 07:17 PM) In your post, you say that Ozzie is as good a manager as you can find, but earlier you said the manager doesn't matter? I believe you have predicted that Ozzie will win a WS in Florida because he will keep improving as a manager. It made no sense for the Sox to give Mark the same amount of money that Miami did, no one else gave him such a large contract offer. He wasn't really offering a hometown discount like last time, he took the highest contract offered to him. Not really sure how that constitutes "very very sick". Mark deserves every penny. He's like having another coach on the team with his great approach to pitching. I think it is ridiculous the Sox didn't ante up the money. Thanks Kenny for giving the cash to Rios and Dunn and Peavy. Nice moves all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 07:38 PM) It's very telling that he listed Ozzie being funny first, before claiming he was a good manager in his list of reason why he loves Ozzie... I gave reasons for loving his personality. Baseball shouldn't be rocket science, except to those of your who just love and worship everything about Sabes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 10:27 PM) Mark deserves every penny. He's like having another coach on the team with his great approach to pitching. I think it is ridiculous the Sox didn't ante up the money. Thanks Kenny for giving the cash to Rios and Dunn and Peavy. Nice moves all. Screw that, we could have just brought in J. Moyer on a minor league deal. Mark took the money and ran...no shame in that. I'm much happier that the Sox used that money to extend Danks instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 04:27 PM) Mark deserves every penny. He's like having another coach on the team with his great approach to pitching. I think it is ridiculous the Sox didn't ante up the money. Thanks Kenny for giving the cash to Rios and Dunn and Peavy. Nice moves all. What approach to pitching? Because he pitches quickly? That works for him, it doesn't work for everyone. Some of the best pitchers take hours to throw a pitch, it doesn't make them bad. I'd much rather give that money to Danks, which they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I don't recall ever hearing about Mark coaching other pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 10:37 PM) I don't recall ever hearing about Mark coaching other pitchers. He led by example. The smart ones copied his style of working quickly and ignored the style of Edwin (snail's pace) Jackson. Mark had the balls to take the ball and deliver it quickly. It was always on his terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 23, 2012 -> 04:50 AM) He led by example. The smart ones copied his style of working quickly and ignored the style of Edwin (snail's pace) Jackson. Mark had the balls to take the ball and deliver it quickly. It was always on his terms. Working fast means absolutely nothing. The only thing anyone gives it credit for is keeping the defense on its toes. However, care to explain how Buerhle led the team in unearned runs last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 09:50 PM) He led by example. The smart ones copied his style of working quickly and ignored the style of Edwin (snail's pace) Jackson. Mark had the balls to take the ball and deliver it quickly. It was always on his terms. So, who were the smart ones between July 2010 and July 2011? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 07:50 PM) He led by example. The smart ones copied his style of working quickly and ignored the style of Edwin (snail's pace) Jackson. Mark had the balls to take the ball and deliver it quickly. It was always on his terms. Were you complaining in 2005 when Jose Contreras was mowing everyone down left and right in the post season using his snail's pace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Are you guys saying you are glad Mark is gone? How could anybody take that position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 23, 2012 -> 12:58 AM) Are you guys saying you are glad Mark is gone? How could anybody take that position? Ohmyf***inggod. FIND ONE PERSON WHO SAID "I AM GLAD MARK BUEHRLE IS NO LONGER A WHITE SOX PLAYER." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 23, 2012 -> 12:58 AM) Are you guys saying you are glad Mark is gone? How could anybody take that position? I'm glad the Sox extended Danks instead of Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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