greg775 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) Today's heads up play by AJP in scoring all the way from first on a slow roller to short has, in my mind, earned him another 2 year Sox contract. Not to mention his 23rd home run. Let's say for some reason he stinks next year. Well he'd still not be stealing money, cause he's underpaid this year considering his production. I mean ... the man is so damn smart. He scores all the way from first base on a slow roller to short?? You got to be kidding me. He's the smartest man in baseball. He'll know when his skills have diminished to the point he's done. For now ... sign him up. He definitely will manage the White Sox some day if Robin decides he doesn't want the job forever. I'm sure nobody will dispute this ... AJP deserves to remain a White Sox and deserves a good chunk of change for next season!!! Give him 8 million a year for the next two years and be done with it. Edited August 13, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I have to give him credit, he has really Enhanced his performance in this free agent year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 10:24 PM) I have to give him credit, he has really Enhanced his performance in this free agent year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 09:54 PM) Today's heads up play by AJP in scoring all the way from first on a slow roller to short has, in my mind, earned him another 2 year Sox contract. Not to mention his 23rd home run. Let's say for some reason he stinks next year. Well he'd still not be stealing money, cause he's underpaid this year considering his production. I mean ... the man is so damn smart. He scores all the way from first base on a slow roller to short?? You got to be kidding me. He's the smartest man in baseball. He'll know when his skills have diminished to the point he's done. For now ... sign him up. He definitely will manage the White Sox some day if Robin decides he doesn't want the job forever. I'm sure nobody will dispute this ... AJP deserves to remain a White Sox and deserves a good chunk of change for next season!!! Give him 8 million a year for the next two years and be done with it. He will never be a manager in the Major Leagues. His personality will not allow it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 11:39 PM) He will never be a manager in the Major Leagues. His personality will not allow it to happen. Yeah. Before you know it, he'll be complimenting Fidel Castro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Does any other team even want AJ? Seems like his personality would only mesh in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 AJ should retire in a White Sox uniform and remain with the organization either as a broadcaster or a coach/manager after his playing days are over if he so wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) He will never be a manager in the Major Leagues. His personality will not allow it to happen. Ptatc were you the guy he hit in the nuts ? You seem so level headed on every subject except AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 04:39 AM) He will never be a manager in the Major Leagues. His personality will not allow it to happen. Â Seems like he'd be a natural. A lot of times he looks in the dugout if a pitcher has completely lost it. Seems like he'd have a good feel. It's amazing when you talk about managing. Ventura has done well enough this year that he's assured a 20-year tenure with the Sox if he wants it. What is Robin, 45? He's proven he can manage. With his personality, he's NEVER going to get in trouble with anybody (owners or players) so he's set. He could be a White Sox legend. If he can win one or two WS in 25 years and eight division titles, he'll be a living White Sox legend. Question is ... can he do that? Let's say he's our skipper the next 25 years. Can he win 2 WS and eight division titles? I'd say maybe one WS. Two might be difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 11:13 PM) Ptatc were you the guy he hit in the nuts ? You seem so level headed on every subject except AJ. it wasn't me but i know the guy. i don't mean to come off as a jerk but from my experience he just doesn't have the personality to be a manager. he is avery good player and has helped the sox win many games. but that doesn't change who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 11:17 PM) Seems like he'd be a natural. A lot of times he looks in the dugout if a pitcher has completely lost it. Seems like he'd have a good feel. It's amazing when you talk about managing. Ventura has done well enough this year that he's assured a 20-year tenure with the Sox if he wants it. What is Robin, 45? He's proven he can manage. With his personality, he's NEVER going to get in trouble with anybody (owners or players) so he's set. He could be a White Sox legend. If he can win one or two WS in 25 years and eight division titles, he'll be a living White Sox legend. Question is ... can he do that? Let's say he's our skipper the next 25 years. Can he win 2 WS and eight division titles? I'd say maybe one WS. Two might be difficult. robin can get along with people. aj cannot. or maybe it's will nkt. i'm not sure but either way i don't think he will ever manage in the majors. i could be wrong but its just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 AJ will be a broadcaster or coach. Â Reinsdorf would probably offer him the opportunity to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Lifetime contract? I have seen one, maybe two guys in my entire White Sox life that I could see that happening for. AJ? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 11:17 PM) Seems like he'd be a natural. A lot of times he looks in the dugout if a pitcher has completely lost it. Seems like he'd have a good feel. It's amazing when you talk about managing. Ventura has done well enough this year that he's assured a 20-year tenure with the Sox if he wants it. What is Robin, 45? He's proven he can manage. With his personality, he's NEVER going to get in trouble with anybody (owners or players) so he's set. He could be a White Sox legend. If he can win one or two WS in 25 years and eight division titles, he'll be a living White Sox legend. Question is ... can he do that? Let's say he's our skipper the next 25 years. Can he win 2 WS and eight division titles? I'd say maybe one WS. Two might be difficult. Â How many managers in all of baseball have even managed one team for 25 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 11:55 PM) Does any other team even want AJ? Seems like his personality would only mesh in Chicago. The Dodgers and Blue Jays had competitive contract offers out on him last time he was a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 AJ has been a pretty good bargain his 8 seasons as the Sox catcher. He's averaged less than $5 million a year. Considering his workload, its been a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) How many managers in all of baseball have even managed one team for 25 years? Â Right now the longest tenured Mgr in baseball was hired in 2004. In baseball history, Connie Mack made it 50 years with one franchise, and is the only one to make it that long with one group. In baseball history only 9 guys have managed a total of 25 years, let alone with one team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 09:36 AM) Right now the longest tenured Mgr in baseball was hired in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 08:36 AM) Right now the longest tenured Mgr in baseball was hired in 2004. In baseball history, Connie Mack made it 50 years with one franchise, and is the only one to make it that long with one group. In baseball history only 9 guys have managed a total of 25 years, let alone with one team. Â And it's much harder to be a manager nowadays with all of the media scrutiny around and the internet allows fans to debate for days the merits of the team's 4th OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 04:55 AM) AJ should retire in a White Sox uniform and remain with the organization either as a broadcaster or a coach/manager after his playing days are over if he so wishes. Â Â One of the best decisions the Sox made was to sign AJ twice. One of the worse would be not to sign him a third time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) How many managers in all of baseball have even managed one team for 25 years? Â Can you picture a scenario in which the White Sox ever replace Robin Ventura? He's proven he's not a buffoon and knows how to manage, which is not rocket science. He's already proven he's as good as anybody they could get nowadays. He is the opposite of Ozzie mouth-wise, so he'll never get himself fired. That leaves him stepping down some day on his own. I would assume he's set for life financially five times over, so I guess he could tire of the grind. If he truly loves baseball, I think he's our manager the next 25 years. How can the Sox ever fire Robin Ventura? That can't happen cause of his name and history with the franchise. Edited August 13, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:50 PM) Can you picture a scenario in which the White Sox ever replace Robin Ventura? He's proven he's not a buffoon and knows how to manage, which is not rocket science. He's already proven he's as good as anybody they could get nowadays. He is the opposite of Ozzie mouth-wise, so he'll never get himself fired. That leaves him stepping down some day on his own. I would assume he's set for life financially five times over, so I guess he could tire of the grind. If he truly loves baseball, I think he's our manager the next 25 years. How can the Sox ever fire Robin Ventura? That can't happen cause of his name and history with the franchise. Â If the team sucks for a few seasons, he can absolutely get fired. It's part of the business, fans & Robin will understand and it won't be taken personally. It happened to Ditka, Dennis Savard. In New York, Joe Torre was not re-signed, despite being beloved by the fan base and winning all those titles. Â From Robin's point of view, I think he could easily get tired of the grind, especially as he gets older. It's one thing to love baseball, it's another to travel with the team for 8 months a year, dealing with the media and players and management everyday, it can wear on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 02:50 PM) Can you picture a scenario in which the White Sox ever replace Robin Ventura? He's proven he's not a buffoon and knows how to manage, which is not rocket science. He's already proven he's as good as anybody they could get nowadays. He is the opposite of Ozzie mouth-wise, so he'll never get himself fired. That leaves him stepping down some day on his own. I would assume he's set for life financially five times over, so I guess he could tire of the grind. If he truly loves baseball, I think he's our manager the next 25 years. How can the Sox ever fire Robin Ventura? That can't happen cause of his name and history with the franchise. Miss the playoffs and underperform for 2-3 years or so and the Chicago Media will be happy to ask whether Robin is going to be replaced every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:50 PM) Can you picture a scenario in which the White Sox ever replace Robin Ventura? He's proven he's not a buffoon and knows how to manage, which is not rocket science. Â Â Jerry Manuel - Manager of the Year in '00, gone by end of '03. Classy, experienced early success....yet all that guarantees you nothing, nor should it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 08:08 PM) If the team sucks for a few seasons, he can absolutely get fired. It's part of the business, fans & Robin will understand and it won't be taken personally. It happened to Ditka, Dennis Savard. In New York, Joe Torre was not re-signed, despite being beloved by the fan base and winning all those titles. From Robin's point of view, I think he could easily get tired of the grind, especially as he gets older. It's one thing to love baseball, it's another to travel with the team for 8 months a year, dealing with the media and players and management everyday, it can wear on him. 1.) Robin will understand? Nobody wants to get fired. He could tire of the job and quit maybe, but I can't see him ever getting fired. Not after proving he can do the job. If the Sox suck in the future, other heads will roll before Robin IMO.  QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 08:08 PM) Miss the playoffs and underperform for 2-3 years or so and the Chicago Media will be happy to ask whether Robin is going to be replaced every day.  2.) I don't know if the media would run him out. If the team starts to suck again I'd think the media would go after Kenny. Edited August 13, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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