TitoMB345 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 With 17 points, Chris Sale finished in 5th place in the AL Cy Young award voting. he received 1 3rd place vote, 4 4th place votes, and 6 5th place votes. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-b...-cy-young-award While he didn't win it, it's still an amazing achievement from such a young player. I hope in the next 5-10 years, we get to see him finish up even higher and hopefully win a few awards himself! Thanks Sale, you were so much fun to watch this year! I'm so fortunate I got to see you against Kershaw in the LA game in May (even though we didn't win). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claydude14 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Sale is boss. Hope his arm holds up. He made Buerhle leaving that much easier to stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 He just may win it next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 14, 2012 -> 07:27 PM) He just may win it next year. Hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Yay, 5th place!...? Sorry to be the rain cloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 He's the most dominant player we've drafted since Frank Thomas. It's going to be a lot of fun watching this kid as he mixes his natural talent with a developing understanding of how to pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxnGiants Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The link seems to show him in 6th place - behind Rodney. Someone (from Texas) actually gave Rodney a 1st place vote... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 If he repeats next year, do we explore an extension to possibly buy out 1 year of FA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I woulda had him 4th above Felix and Rodney. To finish 6th in the Cy Young award in your first year of starting is quite the accomplishment. I wonder how many pitchers in their first years finished top 5? I know Fernando-Mania won it his rookie year but thats all I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (SoxnGiants @ Nov 14, 2012 -> 11:17 PM) The link seems to show him in 6th place - behind Rodney. Someone (from Texas) actually gave Rodney a 1st place vote... Probably the same idiot who voted for Michael Young as the MVP last year. I'm still wondering how David Price won. Verlander didn't have the 24 wins he had last year, but he was every bit as good this year and better than David Price according to a lot of metrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 15, 2012 -> 01:40 AM) Probably the same idiot who voted for Michael Young as the MVP last year. I'm still wondering how David Price won. Verlander didn't have the 24 wins he had last year, but he was every bit as good this year and better than David Price according to a lot of metrics. More Ws and a better ERA...I think its justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 14, 2012 -> 07:27 PM) He just may win it next year. If he can push into the 200 IP range, and pitch every five days, the he might become the best pitcher in the AL Central. That's right, I said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 14, 2012 -> 09:04 PM) Yay, 5th place!...? Sorry to be the rain cloud. For a guy drafted just 2 years ago, and who transitioned from the bullpen to the majors this year... to be even getting any votes for Cy Young is damn impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (SoxnGiants @ Nov 14, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) The link seems to show him in 6th place - behind Rodney. Someone (from Texas) actually gave Rodney a 1st place vote... Rodney had one of the most, if not the most, dominant seasons a closer has ever had. I think 1 first place vote is justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2012 -> 08:18 AM) Rodney had one of the most, if not the most, dominant seasons a closer has ever had. I think 1 first place vote is justified. Rodney certainly had an amazing season, but I'd say Eckersley's 1990 season was better. 48 saves, .60 ERA, .614 WHIP an insane 18.25 SO/BB ratio. Only walked 4 batters in 73 1/3 innings (one was intentional). I'm never a fan of voting for a reliever as Cy Young. As remarkable as Rodney's season was, he still "only" had a WAR of 3.7. Amazing for a reliever, but barely over half of what a typical Cy Young winner has. Edited November 15, 2012 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 CSINAA CySale Covering all my bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Nov 15, 2012 -> 08:57 AM) Rodney certainly had an amazing season, but I'd say Eckersley's 1990 season was better. 48 saves, .60 ERA, .614 WHIP an insane 18.25 SO/BB ratio. Only walked 4 batters in 73 1/3 innings (one was intentional). I'm never a fan of voting for a reliever as Cy Young. As remarkable as Rodney's season was, he still "only" had a WAR of 3.7. Amazing for a reliever, but barely over half of what a typical Cy Young winner has. This is where I really disagree with the WAR calculation. It mostly uses innings pitched in the calculation. I would say a reliever could have an impact on more games than a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 17, 2012 -> 10:28 PM) This is where I really disagree with the WAR calculation. It mostly uses innings pitched in the calculation. I would say a reliever could have an impact on more games than a starter. WAR for relievers takes Leverage Index into account, so in a sense, they are getting more credit for pitching in innings that are more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 18, 2012 -> 08:22 PM) WAR for relievers takes Leverage Index into account, so in a sense, they are getting more credit for pitching in innings that are more important. Does that minimize the credit they get for 3-run saves? If so, that's helpful in legitimizing the calculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Listen I like Sale, I like him a lot. But I am not ready to call him an Ace just yet. I know 2012 was his first full season as a starter, but he needs to show me he can be as effective in the 2nd half of the season as he was in the first. His Aug/Sept combined numbers of 5-5 over 68IP with a 3.83 ERA and 1.34 WHIP tell me that he has a lot to prove before being labeled an "ace". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 18, 2012 -> 09:00 PM) Does that minimize the credit they get for 3-run saves? If so, that's helpful in legitimizing the calculation. Leverage is based on how close the score is, what inning it is, how many outs, and how many men are on base. So yeah, it would mean 3 run saves would be less meaningful than 1 run saves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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