TaylorStSox Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 09:57 PM) De Aza graded positively as a baserunner in every year with the Sox. He's basically a break-even base stealer, and with his above-average speed, the number of times he goes from first to third etc. has outweighed the number of times he gets picked off at first or whatever, although the latter tends to stick in the memory more. He's graded positively every year on defence bar last year in CF, where he graded slightly negatively. I would say that via the eye test he was a reasonable centre-fielder for the most part, and is now a little above average LF. The problem with Alejandro is when he makes a mistake, it tends to be of the "HOLY SH*T DID HE JUST F*CKING DO THAT" variety. They stick in the memory and to me have resulted in some people underestimating his overall value. And yeah, Torii Hunter has been the worst defensive player in baseball this season. I can tell you that without having seen him in the stadium. De Aza might be the worst base runner I've ever seen. He's basically a faster Carlos Lee in the field and on the paths. He's f***ing atrocious. Stop listening to any stat that says otherwise and, for the love of God, don't use them in an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 03:59 AM) ADA takes way too much heat. He has produced as a Sox How so? He has stunk this year after stinking last year. That's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 That splitter is almost unhittable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Putnam's career stats are pretty shocking when you look at him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 09:56 PM) It must have been absolute hell for Pirates fans watching him destroy AAA just waiting for him to get the call. Looking forward to seeing him play. Side note, his wRC+ at AAA was 163. Kris Bryant hasn't had one below 209 at any of his stops, and currently at AA he's at 226. That's how good Bryant is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 3 left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 pen arms. you keep auditioning and hey one may fall from the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 04:00 AM) De Aza might be the worst base runner I've ever seen. He's basically a faster Carlos Lee in the field and on the paths. He's f***ing atrocious. Stop listening to any stat that says otherwise and, for the love of God, don't use them in an argument. He also either is slow out of the box or just slow now. Cause that bunt tonight was perfect and he would not have beaten it out had the pitcher not made a horrific throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:01 PM) Looking forward to seeing him play. Side note, his wRC+ at AAA was 163. Kris Bryant hasn't had one below 209 at any of his stops, and currently at AA he's at 226. That's how good Bryant is. Bryant is the one that I think for sure you can count on being good in the majors. I'm not a fan of Soler or Baez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 My 2 cents on the De Aza conversation: he sucks, he flat out sucks at everything. But, last year, he showed potential as a hitter. IIRC he went 17/62 with a respectable average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:01 PM) He also either is slow out of the box or just slow now. Cause that bunt tonight was perfect and he would not have beaten it out had the pitcher not made a horrific throw. De Aza is fast, but slow out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 That Cleveland score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:02 PM) Bryant is the one that I think for sure you can count on being good in the majors. I'm not a fan of Soler or Baez. Almora is struggling in high A too. He walks at a less rate than Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Nieto! Nieto! Nieto! Come on guys, join me! Nieto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) Nieto! Nieto! Nieto! Come on guys, join me! Nieto! He should play more than he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 How the hell do they even keep stats on base running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) Nieto! Nieto! Nieto! Come on guys, join me! Nieto! Phegley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:03 PM) Almora is struggling in high A too. He walks at a less rate than Anderson. Their pitching depth is pretty bad in the minors and on top of not so great draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:05 PM) Their pitching depth is pretty bad in the minors and on top of not so great draft Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 nice catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Chisenhall is turning into a star. 5-5, 3 HR and 9 RBI tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) De Aza might be the worst base runner I've ever seen. He's basically a faster Carlos Lee in the field and on the paths. He's f***ing atrocious. Stop listening to any stat that says otherwise and, for the love of God, don't use them in an argument. It really is incredible that for someone who might be the worst baserunner in your lifetime, two separate organisations (Fangraphs and baseball reference) who have separately developed statistics to judge baserunning by both have graded him positively with the Sox. Like I get that they mightn't be perfect, but it's amazing they are so bad that they rate the single worst baserunner out of thousands of baserunners as a good baserunner. That's no run-of-the-mill rounding error there, that's a cataclysmic failing of the system. What has made them so utterly woefully wrong? Do they both give positive marks for getting picked off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:05 PM) Their pitching depth is pretty bad in the minors and on top of not so great draft I didn't like their first round pick either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) How so? He has stunk this year after stinking last year. That's not good. If Avi did not get hurt De Aza may of been DFA already...........he flat out sucks as a everyday player, he is a 4th OF at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) Flowers 9 for last 58 (.155) Edited June 10, 2014 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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