fathom Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The only time you bunt there is if you're Billy Hamilton or you're down 2. Oh well, stay healthy Sale and Abreu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:12 PM) How many guys did he leave on base with RISP this series a TON, batting average does not mean end all beat all. No it doesn't but when you did hit .352, it's rather tough to legitimately complain about him. I get hit when players hit .280 and sport .300 OBPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 05:17 PM) No it doesn't but when you did hit .352, it's rather tough to legitimately complain about him. I get hit when players hit .280 and sport .300 OBPs. Well, except for the whole power thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) Well, except for the whole power thing. yea he's not a great hitter. But his 6/17 with a triple exceeds: Alexei 2/16 with a double Dunn 2/14, 3 walks, no extra base hits. And I'm sure most others as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 What a horrible series. Can't see us bouncing back at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) Well, except for the whole power thing. Yet his OPS is higher than Beltre and Longoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Since when did Alexei become a cold weather hitter and suck when it gets warm? Weird year for him. Well at least we got Sale tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) DV 6 hits last 70 AB's...................First sweep by the Twins in 3 years. Edited June 22, 2014 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Lexi needs to sit a few games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 As does Viciedo. Just give the guys a few days rest. It's not like anyone is lighting the world on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 03:29 PM) De Aza, in case you missed it, is hitting .367/.418/.571 in June. This is exactly what I mean with De Aza. If you look at the numbers, you see one thing. If you watch him play, you see another. He cost the team a run in the field, and he is bunting with two outs in the ninth, in a situation that dictates looking for an extra base hit. He is the hitters version of Javy Vazquez, except not nearly as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) Lexi needs to sit a few games He is in a slump. It happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 06:06 PM) He is in a slump. It happens Normally I do like the idea of "Giving an extra day off to a guy in a slump" but we know that's not going to happen with Alexei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Since when did Alexei become a cold weather hitter and suck when it gets warm? Weird year for him. Well at least we got Sale tomorrow. You watching these games? He's been hitting into some hard outs. Maybe not as great as he was in april but he hasn't been sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:58 PM) This is exactly what I mean with De Aza. If you look at the numbers, you see one thing. If you watch him play, you see another. He cost the team a run in the field, and he is bunting with two outs in the ninth, in a situation that dictates looking for an extra base hit. He is the hitters version of Javy Vazquez, except not nearly as good. Yes, yes and YES!! Absolutely wonderful example of why we should be thankful our front office doesn't simply use stats to evaluate a player. It's peasant food. I wonder what the Sox FO puts the most emphasis on when evaluating a potential new guy: 1. Eye Test/Getting It Done 2. Character/Work Ethic 3. Stats I think you have to have #1 to draw initial interest, leading then to #2. #3 just comes with #1 usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 08:57 PM) How so? He's worth a couple of wins a year and is 32. They should be shopping him. This stat about "being worth a couple wins a year" is an example of an advanced stat that bothers me. It makes it sound like the Sox as an organization would only be a loss or two worse w/out Lexi. Let's say the Sox replace him with some stiff who hits .220 and makes a large amount of errors and has not so great range. This is possible cause from what I understand we have no top player "ready" to replace him. You can't tell me the team wouldn't suck much worse than it does now without Lexi. Let's say we put L. Garcia there instead of Lexi. The team becomes a total embarrassment, much worse than this crew which is still a last-place team. Now I'm not saying don't trade Lexi. If the Sox can get a haul for him (not some possible or likely bust named Davidson) maybe they should trade him. But I HATE this stat about how many wins a guy is worth. A simple trade of Lexi for L. Garcia makes this team WAY WORSE than simple two-game margin would suggest. Edited June 23, 2014 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:58 PM) This is exactly what I mean with De Aza. If you look at the numbers, you see one thing. If you watch him play, you see another. He cost the team a run in the field, and he is bunting with two outs in the ninth, in a situation that dictates looking for an extra base hit. He is the hitters version of Javy Vazquez, except not nearly as good. I'd rather look at the numbers which show him producing several more runs than he's given up for the Sox than holding a grudge about the method by which he gives up those runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 10:25 PM) I'd rather look at the numbers which show him producing several more runs than he's given up for the Sox than holding a grudge about the method by which he gives up those runs. Except the "numbers" ignore those runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 10:19 PM) This stat about "being worth a couple wins a year" is an example of an advanced stat that bothers me. It makes it sound like the Sox as an organization would only be a loss or two worse w/out Lexi. Let's say the Sox replace him with some stiff who hits .220 and makes a large amount of errors and has not so great range. This is possible cause from what I understand we have no top player "ready" to replace him. You can't tell me the team wouldn't suck much worse than it does now without Lexi. Let's say we put L. Garcia there instead of Lexi. The team becomes a total embarrassment, much worse than this crew which is still a last-place team. Now I'm not saying don't trade Lexi. If the Sox can get a haul for him (not some possible or likely bust named Davidson) maybe they should trade him. But I HATE this stat about how many wins a guy is worth. A simple trade of Lexi for L. Garcia makes this team WAY WORSE than simple two-game margin would suggest. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 10:28 PM) Except the "numbers" ignore those runs. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 10:19 PM) This stat about "being worth a couple wins a year" is an example of an advanced stat that bothers me. It makes it sound like the Sox as an organization would only be a loss or two worse w/out Lexi. Let's say the Sox replace him with some stiff who hits .220 and makes a large amount of errors and has not so great range. It's "Wins above REPLACEMENT". If there is some terrible player batting .220 making tons of errors, he is liking going produce negative WAR. So the difference would be from Alexei's positive WAR to the other guy's negative WAR. Because you used Leury as an example, let's extrapolate Alexei's current season and Leury's. Obviously this isn't fair because of the sample sizes, especially for Leury. But I digress...... Alexei's project WAR this year based on a 650 PA-average is..... about 3.6 WAR Leury's projected WAR extrapolated on the same scale to 650 PA-average would be.... about -2 WAR So if you really wanted to see the different between Alexei to Garcia over an entire year based on what you've seen this season, it's about a 5 1/2 to 6 win difference. That takes a 90 win team to an 84 win team, just based off 1 position. That's a very significant change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 23, 2014 -> 07:01 AM) It's "Wins above REPLACEMENT". If there is some terrible player batting .220 making tons of errors, he is liking going produce negative WAR. So the difference would be from Alexei's positive WAR to the other guy's negative WAR. Because you used Leury as an example, let's extrapolate Alexei's current season and Leury's. Obviously this isn't fair because of the sample sizes, especially for Leury. But I digress...... Alexei's project WAR this year based on a 650 PA-average is..... about 3.6 WAR Leury's projected WAR extrapolated on the same scale to 650 PA-average would be.... about -2 WAR So if you really wanted to see the different between Alexei to Garcia over an entire year based on what you've seen this season, it's about a 5 1/2 to 6 win difference. That takes a 90 win team to an 84 win team, just based off 1 position. That's a very significant change. I was thinking we'd be about 12 games worse with Leury as our ss over Lexi. My eyes tell me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Looks like it's about time to start pining for more complete suckatude - save for a few trade candidates and core youngsters. 2015 and 2016 is when it can get real interesting. Edit: TPSM version 2.0? Edited June 23, 2014 by hi8is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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