Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) Not when I don't see any long-term value in Avi. I don't think Avi is a good baseball player. If you look at my history of posts, I am typically very patient with prospects, etc. What I have seen from Avi, given his defensive struggles, gives me very little faith in him ever reaching anything close to his perceived "upside". I think if this team intends to compete, it needs to add a very good outfielder. I am okay with then using Avi and LaRoche in a DH roll, with Avi giving our outfielders occasional breaks. I want them to send Avi down to AAA and tell him that every time he hits a ball to the right hand side of the field he owes us 30 pushups. I can't tell if I'm being sarcastic or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Padres are so convincing What are the Padres doing? They seem to have some players who other teams want (Ross, Upton), but also some contracts (Kemp, Shields) that are issues. Are they the team that is left holding the bag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:05 PM) White Sox's pursuit of impact RH bat (Yoenis Cespedes/Justin Upton) might lead to Jeff Samardzija trade, either in 3-team deal or 2 trades. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/627162584370814976 Ugh, Shark >> Cespedes/Upton imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:06 PM) Ugh, Shark >> Cespedes/Upton imo. That's not the calculation. The calculation is: Shark > Johnson Cespedes/Upton > Avi Which of those > signs is bigger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Put your seat belts on there will be a flurry of trades that are done but won't be announced until final hour according to several GMs Espn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) Put your seat belts on there will be a flurry of trades that are done but won't be announced until final hour according to several GMs Espn Fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:05 PM) White Sox's pursuit of impact RH bat (Yoenis Cespedes/Justin Upton) might lead to Jeff Samardzija trade, either in 3-team deal or 2 trades. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/627162584370814976 Well this should be an interesting few hours, sit back relax and strap it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) That's not the calculation. The calculation is: Shark > Johnson Cespedes/Upton > Avi Which of those > signs is bigger? I don't think Upton or Cespedes are really impact bats, sure they are an improvement but they don't really change the dynamic of the offense. Losing Shark in the rotation is a big impact there. Also, you lose a comp pick so you better be getting some more value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 #WhiteSox listening to "everything," source says. Have not completely ruled out Jeff Samardzija trade -- and open to adding, too. https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/627164066063085568 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:07 AM) That's not the calculation. The calculation is: Shark > Johnson Cespedes/Upton > Avi Which of those > signs is bigger? Don't forgot the comp pick that we'd get if we just hung on to Shark. If I'm moving Shark in a deal for a bat, Its because the bat we are getting is a long-term solution or in addition to the bat, we are getting some other prospects that we like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 If we're trying to contend, how does trading Samardzija and acquiring Cespedes make any sense? If we're gonna buy, then let's buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) If we're trying to contend, how does trading Samardzija and acquiring Cespedes make any sense? If we're gonna buy, then let's buy. It's a lower risk type of buy, which makes sense given our position in the standings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) That's not the calculation. The calculation is: Shark > Johnson Cespedes/Upton > Avi Which of those > signs is bigger? Plus, you might be getting a prospect or 2 with the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:26 AM) It's a lower risk type of buy, which makes sense given our position in the standings Lets just say we swapped Shark to one team, Sox got Upton, and Padres get prospects. That is a loss to me. I think any chance of Sox making a deep post-season run are gone (don't think that rotation is good enough to win a post-season series) and we don't even get the comp pick long-term to help us. Chances of making playoffs might go up a bit, but thats a big if because we really have no idea what we will get out of EJ (and Rodon is still developing). We could end up with a gas can of a rotation which offsets any positives from Upton and we don't even get a comp pick for the long term. So again, I am not trading Shark for a rental unless it is Shark and prospects for a rental + better prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Mets are targeting Cespedes. Watch the tigers pull of Wheeler for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Lets just say we swapped Shark to one team, Sox got Upton, and Padres get prospects. That is a loss to me. I think any chance of Sox making a deep post-season run are gone (don't think that rotation is good enough to win a post-season series) and we don't even get the comp pick long-term to help us. Chances of making playoffs might go up a bit, but thats a big if because we really have no idea what we will get out of EJ (and Rodon is still developing). We could end up with a gas can of a rotation which offsets any positives from Upton and we don't even get a comp pick for the long term. So again, I am not trading Shark for a rental unless it is Shark and prospects for a rental + better prospects. What about trading shark means for a bat thats not a rental Edited July 31, 2015 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) Mets are targeting Cespedes. Watch the tigers pull of Wheeler for him. If Dombrowski gets that done, he should just be handed Executive of the Year right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) Mets are targeting Cespedes. Watch the tigers pull of Wheeler for him. Nationals also supposedly sniffing around Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 If we can fleece some one for Samardzija and get enough to pull off a Puig deal without losing Anderson then it's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:37 PM) If we can fleece some one for Samardzija and get enough to pull off a Puig deal without losing Anderson then it's worth. I agree I would freakin love if we pulled Puig out somehow........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) Nationals also supposedly sniffing around Cespedes. Harper, Span (15-day DL), Taylor, Werth... who gets benched? Edited July 31, 2015 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Supposedly DD wanted Gausman for Cespedes. It will be interesting to see how far the price tag drops once the clock gets close to zero. The Sox have to be one of the first, if not the first in priority who would actually put in a claim if Cespedes was put on waivers in the next few days. As for Upton, if your out of it, holding on to him for a draft pick is either a total negotiating ploy, or a total bluff. Why pay him the $6 million or $7 million left on his contract to play meaningless games? I find it hard to believe they will hang on to him. It also shows teams aren't offering much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:39 PM) Supposedly DD wanted Gausman for Cespedes. It will be interesting to see how far the price tag drops once the clock gets close to zero. The Sox have to be one of the first, if not the first in priority who would actually put in a claim if Cespedes was put on waivers in the next few days. As for Upton, if your out of it, holding on to him for a draft pick is either a total negotiating ploy, or a total bluff. Why pay him the $6 million or $7 million left on his contract to play meaningless games? I find it hard to believe they will hang on to him. It also shows teams aren't offering much. Tigers get no compensation for Cespeds so he'll be moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) Harper, Span (15-day DL), Taylor, Werth... who gets benched? That's what they were saying on the Network they have a lot of OFs I don't know if it was speculation by Heyman but he said Rizzo loves him and he's the type of player he goes for, a scouts player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:55 AM) Not when I don't see any long-term value in Avi. I don't think Avi is a good baseball player. If you look at my history of posts, I am typically very patient with prospects, etc. What I have seen from Avi, given his defensive struggles, gives me very little faith in him ever reaching anything close to his perceived "upside". I think if this team intends to compete, it needs to add a very good outfielder. I am okay with then using Avi and LaRoche in a DH roll, with Avi giving our outfielders occasional breaks. This. Jake's post is spot-on without context, but Avi blows. It isn't about young players in general, it's about continuing to pretend that Garcia is some high-end prospect, despite not a single sign of improvement as he approaches his first 1000PA in the MLB after ~2000PA in the minors. Still can't pick pitches to swing at, still can't react to balls hit to him, still takes the most confusing routes we've seen since Manny Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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