spiderman Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 No rentals in any deal for any valued prospects; White Sox are probably not going to make the playoffs, any moves made should be for competing in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) Sorry forgot to tune in to his triple a starts to watch him tear up minor leaguers. So his utter dominance down there means nothing? Really? Guys who completely tear up AAA stick at the MLB level more often than not. Even if you don't believe in EJ, his turnaround has increased his value quite a bit. If we wanted to trade him, we could do a lot better than an Upton rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 The thing is, if they do trade Johnson, they're going to go out and get another pitcher unless they want to push Fulmer and Montas into the rotation in April of 2016. It would be pretty incredible...so Erik does have a lot more value to us than he does to other teams. As for pitching in SD, we've had guys like Richard and Eric Stults (let get away for nothing) pitch pretty well there. Pitching hasn't been one of the biggest issues for the Padres, it's offense and it will be bullpen if they trade away Kimbrel. That's probably why they would target Montas, to make him a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) The thing is, if they do trade Johnson, they're going to go out and get another pitcher unless they want to push Fulmer and Montas into the rotation in April of 2016. It would be pretty incredible...so Erik does have a lot more value to us than he does to other teams. As for pitching in SD, we've had guys like Richard and Eric Stults (let get away for nothing) pitch pretty well there. Pitching hasn't been one of the biggest issues for the Padres, it's offense and it will be bullpen if they trade away Kimbrel. That's probably why they would target Montas, to make him a closer. If it's safe to assume that the rotation next year will include: - Sale - Quintana - Rodon - Danks They are obviously hoping to get Samrdizia back...I can understand why the White Sox think they can move Johnson (although losing Samardzia, a #2 type starter would hurt the quality of the rotation) given they have in-house candidates to replace Danks after next season (or even during) while the rest of the rotation is young. Sox have a done fabulous job of developing pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:01 AM) So his utter dominance down there means nothing? Really? Guys who completely tear up AAA stick at the MLB level more often than not. Even if you don't believe in EJ, his turnaround has increased his value quite a bit. If we wanted to trade him, we could do a lot better than an Upton rental. The problem is that he's yet to prove anything at the big league level this year, and he had an unexplainable breakdown last year that still hasn't been diagnosed to anyone's satisfaction. The Cubs are in a similar situation looking to deal Baez but teams not valuing him the same way they did in say May, 2014. If this was the 2013-14 offseason or mid-season 2013, then it would be a different situation, but some of the bloom's off the rose. Then again, that kind of streak of excellence is going to raise some eyebrows when half your games are played in Charlotte. I would be pretty shocked if the Padres would accept him as the centerpiece of a possible trade. Edited July 31, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) So his utter dominance down there means nothing? Really? Guys who completely tear up AAA stick at the MLB level more often than not. Even if you don't believe in EJ, his turnaround has increased his value quite a bit. If we wanted to trade him, we could do a lot better than an Upton rental. I'd like to see some statistical proof of that. I feel this is more of a AAAA phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'd be fine with Erik Johnson, Avasail Garcia, Matt Davidson, and Hector Noesi for Upton. None of those guys is going to do much in the majors on the Sox. I just don't think that it's going to get done without Anderson or Montas involved, which I'm against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) I'd be fine with Erik Johnson, Avasail Garcia, Matt Davidson, and Hector Noesi for Upton. None of those guys is going to do much in the majors on the Sox. I just don't think that it's going to get done without Anderson or Montas involved, which I'm against. I agree I don't want to give up Montas or Anderson. Or Avi but im good witth Davidson and or EJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:06 AM) If it's safe to assume that the rotation next year will include: - Sale - Quintana - Rodon - Danks They are obviously hoping to get Samrdizia back...I can understand why the White Sox think they can move Johnson (although losing Samardzia, a #2 type starter would hurt the quality of the rotation) given they have in-house candidates to replace Danks after next season (or even during) while the rest of the rotation is young. Sox have a done fabulous job of developing pitching. But that depth disappears in a hurry if you're forced to deal Quintana as a result of not possessing the financial resources (or projected season ticket purchasers) to go out and make enough meaningful additions via trade or FA this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:08 AM) I agree I don't want to give up Montas or Anderson. Or Avi but im good witth Davidson and or EJ Do we still even have Hector Noesi? He's in AAA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 This seems promising: Lots of corner outfielders still to be moved, but not a lot of buyers (NYM, CWS, BAL, maybe 1 or 2 others). Like a game of musical chairs. Onley Always positive for consumers when the supply outweighs the demand. Especially in cases where teams are trying to rid themselves of payroll and pending free agents. Desperation starts to set in as we grow hours closer to the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 The Twins also need to do something...anything. A reliever, bat (they're willing to part with Arcia for a rental), another starter. Ryan hasn't made a huge trade in seemingly a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:08 AM) I agree I don't want to give up Montas or Anderson. Or Avi but im good witth Davidson and or EJ EJ isn't a player you really want to give up. He's MLB ready and has proven that he can be a SP. Montas still probably has a >50% chance of ending up a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (staxx @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) EJ isn't a player you really want to give up. He's MLB ready and has proven that he can be a SP. Montas still probably has a >50% chance of ending up a reliever. Johnson feels like fool's gold to me. He looks great in AAA but is a risk to crash and burn and lose his confidence in the majors again. At least with Montas you have a potential setup/closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:16 AM) Johnson feels like fool's gold to me. He looks great in AAA but is a risk to crash and burn and lose his confidence in the majors again. At least with Montas you have a potential setup/closer. I don't believe last year was in his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 45s46 seconds ago #Padres and #Astros have talked trade, but SD wants a young SS and Houston doesn't have one to deal. (Don't say Carlos Correa). So basically I assume the Padres are insisting on Anderson and we're countering with Cleuluis Rondon. And so we won't be getting Upton. Edited July 31, 2015 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) So basically I assume the Padres are insisting on Anderson and we're countering with Cleuluis Rondon. And so we won't be getting Upton. They settle on Justin Sellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Has it been mentioned anywhere the Sox are dangling EJ or is it just speculation to get some riled up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:37 AM) Has it been mentioned anywhere the Sox are dangling EJ or is it just speculation to get some riled up? Pure speculation. Only thing we've heard is teams are asking for Anderson and we balked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) So basically I assume the Padres are insisting on Anderson and we're countering with Cleuluis Rondon. And so we won't be getting Upton. Don't think Correla is related to Upton. Words is Astros looking at Ross and or Kimbrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 We have to get a bat. This team was built to compete this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) The Twins also need to do something...anything. A reliever, bat (they're willing to part with Arcia for a rental), another starter. Ryan hasn't made a huge trade in seemingly a decade. They're pursuing Upton as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 So they aren't trading Anderson, you know they love Micah,so it would take a whole lot to get him, and Montas surely won't move for a rental. The Sox are going to be hanging on to their top guys. No need to get riled up over nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) So basically I assume the Padres are insisting on Anderson and we're countering with Cleuluis Rondon. And so we won't be getting Upton. Anderson for two months of Upton would be such a bad trade for us. If that's really what they're asking for, they can go to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:41 AM) So they aren't trading Anderson, you know they love Micah,so it would take a whole lot to get him, and Montas surely won't move for a rental. The Sox are going to be hanging on to their top guys. No need to get riled up over nothing. Exactly. Get riled up if a deal is done and you're pissed at the package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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