I'm super anxious to see what the corresponding move to this will be....hopefully Hahn doesn't f*** this up.

I'm super anxious to see what the corresponding move to this will be....hopefully Hahn doesn't f*** this up.

I'm eagerly awaiting it also. I think if it was a FA it'd be done already.

Already a few minutes into the podcast and there's a few issues I can point out.

 

1. They are probably overblowing how much "help" Chris Sale needs in regards to pitch framing.

 

2. There are most definitely young catching prospects available. That doesnt mean they'll be cheap.

https://audioboom.com/boos/3899718-south-si...e-tyler-flowers

 

That's some irrational emotion right there. It's freakin Tyler Flowers, and obviously something else is coming.

That's some irrational emotion right there. It's freakin Tyler Flowers, and obviously something else is coming.

 

It's dumb. They are acting like there is no one else available but him or the few free agents they mentioned(plus the guys on our roster for some reason).

 

Second they keep asking what is Rick Hahn thinking because of pitch framing blah blah. Well I have a pretty good idea. Probably went something like this " His offense and defensive ability are liabilities(blocking balls and throwing out runners)...maybe we can get X player and improve in those two areas. Yeah we may lose some of the pitch framing value. But the overall lineup will be better. What a novel concept.

 

Also Tyler Flowers may signal a rebuild? Huh?

Edited December 3, 201510 yr by Baron

Lol I couldn't believe how much they were freaking out...like we just traded Chris Sale or something. This team has so many holes one more isn't sinking this ship lol.

Or who knows, maybe they didn't like how he called games when Sale pitched

Dan Hayes

‏@CSNHayes

Right after Tyler Flowers was non-tendered, scout: "He should tell them thank you. Bet he gets more than his arb raise in this market."

 

This is the main reason that it makes no sense. Chances are excellent that the guy they replace Flowers with is either worse or similarly bad.

Dan Hayes

‏@CSNHayes

Right after Tyler Flowers was non-tendered, scout: "He should tell them thank you. Bet he gets more than his arb raise in this market."

 

This is the main reason that it makes no sense. Chances are excellent that the guy they replace Flowers with is either worse or similarly bad.

 

They clearly are looking for more offense from the catching position. Sounds good to me

If you have an issue with this move, put down the keyboard. I didn't know he had knee surgery and at his age and size I'm glad they're cutting bait.

We can't make any sense of this until we see what who the Sox replace Flowers with. I'm really starting to think the catcher will come in a trade. Been wrong before though.

That guy running the podcast sounds like a spaz. Also he can't pronounce Avila or Faust, so he can buzz off.

Edited December 3, 201510 yr by flavum

Not too many Sox podcasts around so I posted it. Like I said, it was ridiculous. I listened but cringed at how mad they were.

 

 

Is it Aveea or AviLA? Always thought AviLA

Wow, I did not see that coming. I like Navarro's bat but is the upgrade worth a potential defensive downgrade? Or am I wrong about his defensive abilities vs. Flowers?

Wow, I did not see that coming. I like Navarro's bat but is the upgrade worth a potential defensive downgrade? Or am I wrong about his defensive abilities vs. Flowers?

Good point. Rick Hahn never misses a chance to make a marginal offensive improvement at the cost of defensive value, only to see that offense diminish and defense stay terrible during their tenure.

Not too many Sox podcasts around so I posted it. Like I said, it was ridiculous. I listened but cringed at how mad they were.

 

 

Is it Aveea or AviLA? Always thought AviLA

 

aVEEla. His dad goes by AHveela.

 

Not the double L sound because it's not a double L.

Rejoice. Thank you, God.

I thought Ken Rosenthal's latest article would have something about our next catcher...nope....it's about trading Chris Sale...again

I thought Ken Rosenthal's latest article would have something about our next catcher...nope....it's about trading Chris Sale...again

National media wants him on a contender.

 

F 'em Rick let's grant their wish and build a frappin' contender!

Good point. Rick Hahn never misses a chance to make a marginal offensive improvement at the cost of defensive value, only to see that offense diminish and defense stay terrible during their tenure.

For example?

I'm going to throw out Plawecki. Got to think they're adding a younger catcher if they're willing to non-tender Flowers, given the uncertainty at the position for 2017 & forward. I think an Avi for Plawecki swap makes a lot of sense for both clubs.

I wouldn't really say Tyler Flowers has defensive value.. pitch framing metrics liked him but how much of this can be attributed to the fact that he had Sale and Quintana who have pretty spot on control throwing to him 2/5 days a week? Other than that I remember him as being clunky and bad behind the plate with a horrible arm..

I wouldn't really say Tyler Flowers has defensive value.. pitch framing metrics liked him but how much of this can be attributed to the fact that he had Sale and Quintana who have pretty spot on control throwing to him 2/5 days a week? Other than that I remember him as being clunky and bad behind the plate with a horrible arm..

100% agree with this.

I'm going to throw out Plawecki. Got to think they're adding a younger catcher if they're willing to non-tender Flowers, given the uncertainty at the position for 2017 & forward. I think an Avi for Plawecki swap makes a lot of sense for both clubs.

I like your idea. Pairing a young catcher with Avila makes sense. I could see the Mets having some interest in Micah too.

I wouldn't really say Tyler Flowers has defensive value.. pitch framing metrics liked him but how much of this can be attributed to the fact that he had Sale and Quintana who have pretty spot on control throwing to him 2/5 days a week? Other than that I remember him as being clunky and bad behind the plate with a horrible arm..

I agree. If all you can say is he's good at pitch framing then he's just not worth it. It's not like Flowers could wipe out a teams running game like Sal Perez can do.