pcq Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 A good manager has a certain gravitas and a personality that commands respect. Ricky teaches young players and goes along with the program. Does he have a vision? Does he have a goal or standard for this year's team? Does he reinforce key concepts with his players? Perhaps this team is just logging time while the younger players develop. I am not sure what the 2018 program is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 he's garbage, no question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Not sure I've ever seen an intentional walk ordered after a strike was thrown (and no steals happened, etc). For it to happen twice in a game is just overwhelming evidence Ricky has no business being a manager. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Dreadfully managed game today 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) On 6/26/2018 at 6:41 PM, fathom said: Something to keep in mind is that Girardi was rumored to not have a good rapport with young players last year. Also when he was with the Marlins, he did a poor job handling young pitching. He's obviously over his head. But what exactly does the FO want in a manager? I know they want someone who will listen to them...a lot of front offices want that. But those other FOs want the manager to follow their analytics and that sort of thing. What do the Sox want? Someone who will put up with Cooper? There's got to be some reason they have hired two weak managers in a row. Edited June 28, 2018 by GreenSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, GreenSox said: He's obviously over his head. But what exactly does the FO want in a manager? I know they want someone who will listen to them...a lot of front offices want that. But those other FOs want the manager to follow their analytics and that sort of thing. What do the Sox want? Someone who will put up with Cooper? There's got to be some reason they have hired two weak managers in a row. I think it's deeper than that, remember since the late 80's the Sox have hired only two guys who previously managed in the major leagues (Torborg, Renteria). JR has admitted that he's never thought managers (or head coaches) make that much of a difference and refuses to pay high amounts to get those type guys plus (and I'm not necessarily knocking him for this) he's always been a guy who likes to give opportunities to people, maybe that's because they are grateful to have a job and will work cheap, although if that is a part of it, I think it is a small part...he just likes to give folks chances and often the inexperience will show through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttommarello823 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 One move from today’s game that has me scratching my head: if he was planning to put Leury in CF after the ninth inning, why not use Leury to pinch hit for Engel and save a bench player. I know that Palka walked to tie the game, but maybe Leury drives in two and wins it. He does have a higher average! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 31 minutes ago, ttommarello823 said: One move from today’s game that has me scratching my head: if he was planning to put Leury in CF after the ninth inning, why not use Leury to pinch hit for Engel and save a bench player. I know that Palka walked to tie the game, but maybe Leury drives in two and wins it. He does have a higher average! I've thought this over some and part of the problem is the shit roster construction and not having a true backup IF on the bench since Tyler was cut. It's obvious that Leury isn't an IF anymore so that leaves you exactly ZERO guys that can play SS/2B on the bench most nights. That is just asking for trouble long term. I guess I'll give Rick a pass on this one but FFS what is he fucking doing with the fucking IBB and bunts...he also seems to loathe the hit and run, which is something this team is naturally suited for and should be using much more often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I think it is a small part...he just likes to give folks chances and often the inexperience will show through. I appreciate that and I like how JR is really good to a lot of people. But he's got to get someone who understands the game. A manager simply can't do what Renteria did today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 42 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I've thought this over some and part of the problem is the shit roster construction and not having a true backup IF on the bench since Tyler was cut. It's obvious that Leury isn't an IF anymore so that leaves you exactly ZERO guys that can play SS/2B on the bench most nights. That is just asking for trouble long term. I guess I'll give Rick a pass on this one but FFS what is he fucking doing with the fucking IBB and bunts...he also seems to loathe the hit and run, which is something this team is naturally suited for and should be using much more often. Leury played SS in one of his rehab games. They just prefer Engel over him in CF, it's been that way since ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I'm not going to lie Sox fans. Initially I laughed at the idea of firing Ricky but his decision making in the dugout lately has me thinking twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Fire Rick and make Steverson the interim coach. Lets see what he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 And for those that don't follow the minor leagues (and tweets from observers), the excessive bunting seems to be happening with those teams as well. Omar, especially, in W-Salem seems to be abusing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Hot FiRe said: Fire Rick and make Steverson the interim coach. Lets see what he's got. Why Stevenson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Other than Anderson and Leury...I guess Narvaez, the entire offense has regressed. Steverson is fortunate at this point to have any big league job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Ricky blows but he seems like a very nice guy and obviously he's helping the young guys from other countries on our team. It probably does take a certain kind of guy to get along with Coop. We have to remember Coop is sort of like assistant manager. He runs the all important pitching staff and is a very crabby guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 9:51 PM, Joshua Strong said: Some names to keep an eye on Joe Girardi Raul Ibanez - Dodgers Special Assistant to GM Brad Ausmus - Angels Special Assistant Brandon Hyde - Cubs Bench Coach/Has ties to the Sox Chris Woodward - Dodgers Third Base Coach Sandy Alomar Jr. - Indians First Base Coach/Has ties to the Sox Bo Porter - Braves Special Assistant Jayce Tingler - Rangers Special Assistant Josh Paul - Angels Bench Coach/Has ties to the Sox/Angels Catcher who dropped the third strike on AJ in the 2005 ALCS I was all for the Sox going after and hiring Gabe Kapler to replace Robin Ventura. Now, I still want someone who fits that mold. Girardi is our next manager if we are serious about hard nosed baseball and winning baseball. If we want to take our chances with a nice guy manager we either keep RR or hire Omar Vizquel. Omar might be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, fathom said: Leury played SS in one of his rehab games. They just prefer Engel over him in CF, it's been that way since ST. Well there's still no true backup SS because Leury hasn't played a single game at SS for the Sox since last year, where he played all of 2. Not having a guy you're comfie with backing up short isn't ideal. Not that I'm excusing the overall poor job Renteria does. If the bunting is an org wide thing I'd just pray that it's practice and not some philsophy. It would seem absolutely absurd to me that a team would shift AND bunt as much as the Sox. That's like the logical equivalent of growing up a Yankees and Jets fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 3 hours ago, greg775 said: Girardi is our next manager if we are serious about hard nosed baseball and winning baseball. If we want to take our chances with a nice guy manager we either keep RR or hire Omar Vizquel. Omar might be OK. Don't be so sure. https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/brian-cashman-reasons-firing-joe-girardi/story?id=50971046 Quote But the overriding reason that Cashman soured on Girardi was the "connectivity and communication" issue with players, which was a concern to the GM as the Yankees move into their next phase of their youth movement led by Aaron Judge, Gary Sanchez and the rest of the Baby Bombers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Shame on this org if Ricky is around come next year. The players play like idiots and he has no feel for in-game strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 I started off defending Ricky but bad plays and bad managing are happening more often. Something has got to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) On 6/28/2018 at 10:06 PM, caulfield12 said: Other than Anderson and Leury...I guess Narvaez, the entire offense has regressed. Steverson is fortunate at this point to have any big league job. Davidson hasn't regressed; Palko. Avi seems to be fine. I doubt that it's the hitting coach calling for bunts instead of driving the dagger. To me, the bigger issue is the lack of progress with the young pitching. And then it's hard to believe that the pitching coach doesn't have input into Renteria's often daft pitching decisions. But Don the icon is also Don the sacred cow. As for Renteria, a trait of weak managers is to hire weak mangers (when they obviously should hire the strongest that they can find). Edited July 3, 2018 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 10 hours ago, fathom said: Shame on this org if Ricky is around come next year. The players play like idiots and he has no feel for in-game strategy. Hahn specifically said he wouldn’t evaluate Ricky on W&L’s (rightfully so) but how the team comes to play on a daily basis. IMO, Ricky has clearly failed in that regard. Most of the team appears to be pressing and playing sloppy, fundamentally poor baseball. That is beyond unacceptable and when combined with his Robin Ventura like in-game strategy skills, I honestly believe a change needs to be made. Having said all that, I’m very skeptical he doesn’t get at least one more year. If Moncada doesn’t rebound in the second half of the season, I could see Steverson being 2019’s sacrificial lamb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 26 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Davidson hasn't regressed; Palko. Avi seems to be fine. I doubt that it's the hitting coach calling for bunts instead of driving the dagger. To me, the bigger issue is the lack of progress with the young pitching. And then it's hard to believe that the pitching coach doesn't have input into Renteria's often daft pitching decisions. But Don the icon is also Don the sacred cow. As for Renteria, a trait of weak managers is to hire weak mangers (when they obviously should hire the strongest that they can find). You may be right, but I assume you mean Hahn. Renteria did not hire the key members of the coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 On 6/28/2018 at 7:43 PM, GreenSox said: He's obviously over his head. But what exactly does the FO want in a manager? I know they want someone who will listen to them...a lot of front offices want that. But those other FOs want the manager to follow their analytics and that sort of thing. What do the Sox want? Someone who will put up with Cooper? There's got to be some reason they have hired two weak managers in a row. I am a big fan, but I'm sure Ozzie had something to do with it. They went the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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