southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: Pardon my ignorance, but when GMs play the service clock game, do they really tell the players that’s what their plan is? I always assumed it was something that was never admitted, even though everyone knows what is happening, and the GMs know that everyone knows. They can't tell them outright. But they can sure as heck outline the plan, and embellish it with as many details as they want to makes it sound sadly plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: One thing I will say, just because we don't know their plan, doesn't mean that Michael Kopech and Eloy Jimenez haven't been briefed either. I am sure there have been plenty of detailed conversations with them and/or their agents. The laughing "I don't really know" when he's asked what boxes need to be checked is kinda hard to square with this unless he's already really good with mind games in the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: The laughing "I don't really know" when he's asked what boxes need to be checked is kinda hard to square with this unless he's already really good with mind games in the press. His reaction looks to me like there is an inside joke somewhere. He wasn't upset, mad, or confused. He laughed. My guess from being around a lot of teams is that the players in the clubhouse are giving him grief about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Lot of straw arguments going on in here. It's not that you expect a player to magically become worse while dominating AAA. The question is *when* will he be reaching his potential in MLB. A guy with an 1.100 OPS in AAA is probably not getting more prepared to hit MLB pitching while he's in AAA. So long as that is true, you're not just delaying the time when he becomes a free agent but also the time when he's a player that's going to carry your team. Maybe he's going to be great as soon as he is called up, but maybe he'll need a year or two or three. While some have written off Moncada already, it's very plausible that by this time next year he's setting the world on fire and we'll be glad that we have him ready to go in mid-2019 rather than being right in the middle of taking his lumps at that point. As for the specific situation with Eloy, the more the Sox bide their time the less sense it makes to call him up. That being said, I think with all else being equal he could benefit particularly by having a couple months of MLB experience and then an offseason to deal with whatever happens in those 2 months. He can get that experience and then has an extended time to see what adjustments he has to make, adjustments that may be hard to implement in the middle of his rookie season. Depending on what the Sox see, it can also help them in their planning with regard to player acquisition to see just how ready he is. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Balta1701 said: The laughing "I don't really know" when he's asked what boxes need to be checked is kinda hard to square with this unless he's already really good with mind games in the press. Or he knows he's played less than half a season of games above A ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Or he knows he's played less than half a season of games above A ball. From how he's talked to reporters this season (ex: "see you in Chicago soon" a month or two ago), I don't think he cares about that, and I'd guess that the "I don't really know" was legitimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: From how he's talked to reporters this season (ex: "see you in Chicago soon" a month or two ago), I don't think he cares about that, and I'd guess that the "I don't really know" was legitimate He doesn't seem to be the type of guy that is going to get too shaken up by it. He literally laughed it off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Awesome article on Eloy https://milbprospective.mlblogs.com/scouting-report-eloy-jiménez-61b6e9cbf8c6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, fathom said: Awesome article on Eloy https://milbprospective.mlblogs.com/scouting-report-eloy-jiménez-61b6e9cbf8c6 Quote "He’s not going to be a liability out there, that’s for sure.” That's a welcome change from all the "he's literally awful, already just a DH" that I keep hearing here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, fathom said: Awesome article on Eloy https://milbprospective.mlblogs.com/scouting-report-eloy-jiménez-61b6e9cbf8c6 Great read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Hahn is doing the Garfien podcast tonight from a bar. That should be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 53 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: That's a welcome change from all the "he's literally awful, already just a DH" that I keep hearing here Just one person is saying that, to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Or he knows he's played less than half a season of games above A ball. 98 games is less than half a season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, lasttriptotulsa said: 98 games is less than half a season? Lol, excuse me...65% of a season above A ball. Edited August 2, 2018 by ChiSox59 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 22 hours ago, flavum said: Hahn is doing the Garfien podcast tonight from a bar. That should be interesting. https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-talk-podcast-rick-hahn-unplugged-live-remote-podcast Have not listened to it yet, but I’m sure this was covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 On 670 today, Getz made it sound like both are being called up soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Just now, fathom said: On 670 today, Getz made it sound like both are being called up soon. If they're going to make a mistake by calling them up, they might as well do it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, fathom said: On 670 today, Getz made it sound like both are being called up soon. Interesting. I figured it would be next year for sure at this point. What did he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: Interesting. I figured it would be next year for sure at this point. What did he say? He said “very soon” on Kopech and Jimenez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/HitAndRun670/status/1026153162187653120 https://mobile.twitter.com/HitAndRun670/status/1026153687721361408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 Well, if it’s not in the next week, it would be a mistake IMO. I can see 2 months of MLB development being greater than a year of possible service time, but not just 1 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Well, if it’s not in the next week, it would be a mistake IMO. I can see 2 months of MLB development being greater than a year of possible service time, but not just 1 or so 100% agree. Also, this indicates to me they plan on putting a competitive team out there next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: 100% agree. Also, this indicates to me they plan on putting a competitive team out there next year. I think they're waiting until they can move Shields to open up a spot for Kopech. Then again, Covey probably should be in the bullpen so maybe they move him and DFA Santiago. Edited August 5, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: 100% agree. Also, this indicates to me they plan on putting a competitive team out there next year. Could a solid two month debut by Kopech and Eloy help lure Machado here? We obviously would still need to offer him the most money, but I wonder if that would have any effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: I think they're waiting until they can launch Shields to open up a spot for Kopech. That would be a mistake,as I don’t think they will find a taker.either give them the full 2 months or wait till mid April 2019.no point in them coming up close to September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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