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Here's the deal:  Now that the Sox can't get Machado, they need to use that money to get other quality free agents or else they risk losing much of their fan base.  However, they don't seem interested in doing anything to improve the team free agent wise.

 

The kicker is that Hahn, JR, and KW all give the impression that they are perfectly satisfied with the team as it is right now and don't see the need to do anything constructive.

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Trying to use reason and logic to understand the Sox front office is a waste of time.  They are clearly outmatched when it comes to free agency and trades.  The Padres have both of the cornerstones that should be in Sox uniforms.  Hahn should be embarrassed and go into hiding.

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This is the type of rebuild that will make “The Process” by the Sixers seem like a quick jog around the block....we’re taking the long long way around and crossing our fingers that at least 4 or 5 of the prospects hit their potential as impact players. 

 

 

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Cease

dunning

madrigal

eloy

kopech

robert

collins

hansen

Ruthetford

 Basabe/Micker/González (pick your favorite) 

 

Obviously no order to that...but feel good about 5 of them being at least above average players for the White Sox in 2021? Make a good enough core to make the Sox at least perennially in the playoffs?

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Its simply a rebuild done as cheaply as possible. Hopefully the young players will come thru. And if they don't, they don't. That's how this comes off to me. Kuechel is still a free agent. Wouldn't he look better in the White Sox rotation then Giloito, Covay or Fulmer?

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Just now, TheFutureIsNear said:

Cease

dunning

madrigal

eloy

kopech

robert

collins

hansen

Ruthetford

 Basabe/Micker/González (pick your favorite) 

 

Obviously no order to that...but feel good about 5 of them being at least above average players for the White Sox in 2021? Make a good enough core to make the Sox at least perennially in the playoffs?

You listed 12 guys. If 5 of them are simply "above average" combined with the FO's inability to acquire good talent in free agency, that 2021 team is an 82 win one.

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10 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Its simply a rebuild done as cheaply as possible. Hopefully the young players will come thru. And if they don't, they don't. That's how this comes off to me. Kuechel is still a free agent. Wouldn't he look better in the White Sox rotation then Giloito, Covay or Fulmer?

At the same time, you have to give your young players time to develop, especially in a rebuild. You can't just give them one year at the MLB level and then write them off or pencil them in. If you do that, you're going to end up trading away stars and keeping bums because they looked good for their first season before the rest of the league caught up to them. You don't know what you have until a player has played at least 2.5 seasons in the bigs, and even sometimes that isn't enough. 

RE: Keuchel-Ask yourself if James Shields would have looked good in your uniform in March 2015. Then ask yourself the same question in August of 2016. You answered your own question. 

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8 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Its simply a rebuild done as cheaply as possible. Hopefully the young players will come thru. And if they don't, they don't. That's how this comes off to me. Kuechel is still a free agent. Wouldn't he look better in the White Sox rotation then Giloito, Covay or Fulmer?

I gave you shit and many others did as well, but you were basically right regarding the cheapness of the Sox the whole time. Props to you. 

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43 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

This is the type of rebuild that will make “The Process” by the Sixers seem like a quick jog around the block....we’re taking the long long way around and crossing our fingers that at least 4 or 5 of the prospects hit their potential as impact players. 

 

 

We're in Year 3 of the actual rebuild.

The Process took 4 years before it showed dividends. 

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9 hours ago, Quin said:

We're in Year 3 of the actual rebuild.

The Process took 4 years before it showed dividends. 

Yep. The Sixers were a bottom barrel team for like 5 years as a part of their "process". 

The Astros lost 100 plus games three seasons in a row! 

The Sox still have a few tank seasons left before this rebuild starts moving forward with any momentum. 2019 and 2020 should be all about letting the young kids develop and getting top 5 draft picks. 

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14 minutes ago, OneDog847 said:

Yep. The Sixers were a bottom barrel team for like 5 years as a part of their "process". 

The Astros lost 100 plus games three seasons in a row! 

The Sox still have a few tank seasons left before this rebuild starts moving forward with any momentum. 2019 and 2020 should be all about letting the young kids develop and getting top 5 draft picks. 

Except we don’t have Embiid or Simmons yet (unless it’s Robert, Jimenez and Cease).  

Fulmer can be Okafor and Moncada probably Markelle Fultz.

Yolmer is the Sox version of Robert Covington with his Gatorade self-baths.

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Can someone explain to me why so many people are willing to completely write off Moncada after only one full season in the Majors? Please???

If you guys are that impatient then maybe JR was right that Sox fans won't stand for a rebuild. I hope everyone enjoys eternal mediocrity. It takes at least 3 full seasons before I'll write a guy completely off. Of the 3 rebuild pieces that have reached the majors so far, none are lost causes. 

Fulmer is different. He's struggled in the majors and at AAA for 3 seasons. It is time. 

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The White Sox were able to trade Sale,Q, and Eaton for what should have been king ransom hauls of prospects.  To think they should be on the same timetable as a normal rebuild is just hoping against hope. It's time some of these prospects actually showed why they were considered top notched guys in the major leagues.

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46 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Can someone explain to me why so many people are willing to completely write off Moncada after only one full season in the Majors? Please???

If you guys are that impatient then maybe JR was right that Sox fans won't stand for a rebuild. I hope everyone enjoys eternal mediocrity. It takes at least 3 full seasons before I'll write a guy completely off. Of the 3 rebuild pieces that have reached the majors so far, none are lost causes. 

Fulmer is different. He's struggled in the majors and at AAA for 3 seasons. It is time. 

Other than Buxton, many more recent Top 1-5 Milb players have gone on to be studs than flops...

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22 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Other than Buxton, many more recent Top 1-5 Milb players have gone on to be studs than flops...

Exactly.

My personal benchmark is 3 full seasons of suckage. If they can't get it done by then, they get traded and figure it out elsewhere,  I just write it off to "it wasn't going to happen here" 

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It is a typical long one.  It feels like forever because we never committed to the rebuild until a couple years ago.  Spending money on aging vets does improve the current product but hurts your draft thus prolonging the rebuild.  It would take us back to the late Kenny years of 70 some wins.  IE limbo.  Nothing is guaranteed so this may not work but we know limbo doesn't work.  

We should take this money and do everything we can to build up internationally and in our current minor leagues.  Hell rival the Yankees under George where everything was "the best".  Be so good structurally you become desirable as a location.  It won't happen but I wish it would.  Ive posted in the past on restructuring the minors from education, nutrition, sports science to coaching.  

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16 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

It’s a Cincinnati Reds rebuild. 

At least Votto, Suarez and Puig are established hitters.  Senzel looks like he’ll be fine in CF.   Ervin and Winker have a lot of potential, but might get buried behind Kemp, Schebler, Senzel and Puig.  Barnhart and Farmer are a solid catching tandem, too.

They could always hold onto Gennett like they did Suarez recently.

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2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

At least Votto, Suarez and Puig are established hitters.  Senzel looks like he’ll be fine in CF.   Ervin and Winker have a lot of potential, but might get buried behind Kemp, Schebler, Senzel and Puig.  Barnhart and Farmer are a solid catching tandem, too.

They could always hold onto Gennett like they did Suarez recently.

Oh don’t worry, they’ll get you some established hitters here in a year or two.  Like those you mentioned, they’ll all be a few seasons past their peak output and their contracts will be nearly underwater, which will limit further upgrades to some that look remarkably similar to what the Reds did to their pitching staff. 

And they’ll probably block a few prospects, too. 

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This rebuild has the KC blueprint all over it. It will heavily depend largely on the prospects all making an impact at the major league level. This is not a rebuild like the Cubs (referring to the Lester/Heyward signings). I don’t see the Sox adding impact talent via free agency. We’re going to get complementary players signed and talent via trade to fill holes. 

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Machado and Harper arent even top ten hitters in the league, yet they want the most money ever. Im so glad the Sox didnt sign them. Look at players like Pujols and Cabrera, they declined alot in their late contract years, and Pujols and Cabrera  are future hall of famers.

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10 minutes ago, Chisox378 said:

Machado and Harper arent even top ten hitters in the league, yet they want the most money ever. Im so glad the Sox didnt sign them. Look at players like Pujols and Cabrera, they declined alot in their late contract years, and Pujols and Cabrera  are future hall of famers.

Yeah, but Bryce has was more sex appeal than Pujols or Cabrera. Did you see him ESPN The Body in 2015? Man alive! 😍

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