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28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

But how do you do it fairly?  Based on total loan amount?  Ability to repay?  Cost of living in their area?   How can you reconcile that with not helping people similarly back in 2008/09?  

Or do we just go ahead with free community college, reduced or free tuition to state schools, vouchers for private schools? 

On the campaign trail, debt forgiveness was treated with perhaps the most derision by everyone in the US over age 35.  Those Americans, many on fixed or limited incomes, are likewise scared to death about Medicare and Social Security cuts down the line to pay for all this.  They wonder why corporations and the Top 10% are paying much less percentage wise in taxes compared to the middle class. 

I took out zero student loans.

 

F*** fairness. Get us through this alive and without everyone in the country bankrupt. Figure out fairness later.

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12 minutes ago, YoYoIsMyHero said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/coronavirus-symptoms-smell-taste.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

Very interesting. Lost of smell and/or taste seem to be the first symptom to appear in otherwise healthy people infected with the virus.

I don’t know about other people but this happens to me every time I get sick.

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1 hour ago, Jenksismyhero said:

At some point in the next couple weeks, we're going to have to have the conversation I brought up a week or two ago - whether these short term efforts are going to end up making things worse in the long term. 50% unemployment? Everyone on the government payroll? Economic shutdown until June? We're going to turn into a true nanny/socialist state with no hope of going back...

It's that or millions die so

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7 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

I don’t know about other people but this happens to me every time I get sick.

As do I if my sinuses get congested. The difference in reported cases is that people had clear sinuses. 

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WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 23, 2020

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Unusual times with an unusual leader. What can you even say? 

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This tweet from nearly 4 years ago is being blown up this morning. 

 

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Just now, SoxAce said:

This tweet from nearly 4 years ago is being blown up this morning. 

 

But we hated her so much even if we die it was worth it.

On a brighter note yoyo is playing PS 4 online with people if that is your thing. Peace.

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12 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Please take a look at all Italy’s attempts to find a middle ground. It killed thousands.

Italy came up with $28B for mostly guaranteed loans for businesses and direct aid to out of work employees. I'm not following how that killed thousands. Was there some other stimulus/bail out they needed to do and didn't? 

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4 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Italy came up with $28B for mostly guaranteed loans for businesses and direct aid to out of work employees. I'm not following how that killed thousands. Was there some other stimulus/bail out they needed to do and didn't? 

https://news.yahoo.com/why-italy-coronavirus-death-toll-162100030.html
 

Italy and Spain have struggled because they are more social and thought the herd immunity (see UK) would be effective alone, without extensive testing...until they realized their health care system would be overrun.   Now they need to ask for US troops to enforce the quarantine.

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30 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

This tweet from nearly 4 years ago is being blown up this morning. 

 

Yeah, Hillary is definitely one to speak on this subject (see Benghazi).

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22 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Yeah, Hillary is definitely one to speak on this subject (see Benghazi).

Well, we could do this with pretty much every president.  Bay of Pigs.  Cuban Missile Crisis.

Or we could dredge up all the criticisms of the Ebola crisis from 2014.

In the end, the people will judge in November.   

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TO ALL - 

As this is such a huge issue, we want to keep the subject open. However, let's do what we can to avoid the partisan politics. We closed the Filibuster forum for a reason. And we will delete posts as needed in here.

I realize it's impossible to discuss this without at least some reference to political leaders. Just keep it civil and try to avoid the taking sides. Thank you.

 

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37 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://news.yahoo.com/why-italy-coronavirus-death-toll-162100030.html
 

Italy and Spain have struggled because they are more social and thought the herd immunity (see UK) would be effective alone, without extensive testing...until they realized their health care system would be overrun.   Now they need to ask for US troops to enforce the quarantine.

Italy in particular also has a ton of smokers, has the 5th highest median age in the world (45.5 - the US is 38.1) and 48.6% of those who died had 3+ comorbidities

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Every country is unique, yet we have almost every country stats here. I'm not certain if, or how, this thought may be relevant, but we could pull out of our population the exact match for Italy. It would just be a subset of our much bigger population. Kind of like the geographical equivalent of fitting Italy into a map of west Texas. 

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I am very worried about new york.

And feeling like Georgia and FLA may look that way in a week. For obvious demo reasons, florida really concerns me.

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Out of all of the major cities in the country to live in, right now Chicago seems to be the best because the governor shut it down very early in the process. He was proactive rather than reactive. As such, we're probably going to end up with fewer cases than other major cities. 

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Forget Italy. Look at what is happening in New York City now.

 One death per hour and rising.

People would really be be freaking in the  Chicago area if we start piling up dead bodies from CV19  like NYC is.

if we get that bad it will be National Guard time to protect people from themselves. 

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Sen. Klobuchar's husband is in the hospital on supplemental oxygen. He went to the ER after coughing up blood.

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Out of all of the major cities in the country to live in, right now Chicago seems to be the best because the governor shut it down very early in the process. He was proactive rather than reactive. As such, we're probably going to end up with fewer cases than other major cities. 

I agree, but also think there is some dumb luck in the fact that bad weather/cold temperatures make people more willing to stay at home. 

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