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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/insane-many-scientists-lament-trump-s-embrace-risky-malaria-drugs-coronavirus
 

And many are critical of the small French clinical study of just 42 patients that seems to have touched off most of the excitement.

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Others are less diplomatic. Darren Dahly, a co-author of one of several critiques of the initial study and a principal statistician at the University College Cork School of Public Health, said it would be “egregious” to recommend treatments for millions of people based on such a small trial, regardless of its quality. “This is insane!” tweeted Gaetan Burgio, an Australian National University expert on drug resistance, noting what he sees as lapses in the 6-day trial, including inconsistent testing of virus levels in the patients.

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In that trial, the Mediterranean Infection University Hospital Institute (IHU) treated 26 COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine alone, or combined with the antibiotic azithromycin. The authors reported “clearance”—no virus present in samples taken by nasopharyngeal swabs—in most of them, but continued infection in most of a 16-person control group of COVID-19 patients.

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“Efforts to widely distribute unproven treatments are misguided at best and dangerous at worst.”

 

https://www.drugs.com/availability/generic-plaquenil.html

Would love to see if any members of Congress or the administration purchased stock in any of these companies before the public hyping announcements started.... 

 

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Courts are staying closed until May 18. They don't mess around. Thought we had this sucker licked back on Ground Hog Day. 

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23 minutes ago, bmags said:

China does a lot of bad things.

Thise things align with power consolidation and authoritarianism.

They act in self interest of the party and building their wealth when it builds power consolidation.

Killing many if their own and shutting down their economy does none of that.

Just because China does bad things doesn’t mean all bad things are feasible.

This sound vaguely familiar.  Like a leader who would refuse to take the calls from governors who don't grovel enough...

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24 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Looks like Trump was right about chloroquine. Might have to start calling him Dr. Trump.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-fda-breakthrough-on-treatment-11585609832

I see you proscribe to the throw so much shit against the wall maybe one piece will stick doctorate program.

Im pretty sure you dont pass the boards if you miss every question and guess one right.

Had he taken it serious right away, not been golfing, not holding pep rallies, maybe our world is different. But well never know because he cares more about his golf score than any of us.

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59 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Looks like Trump was right about chloroquine. Might have to start calling him Dr. Trump.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-fda-breakthrough-on-treatment-11585609832

You do realize they were exploring it, he heard about it, and shouted it from the rooftops, right?

Now, more research has been done and the FDA is going to allow emergency use. But it's still not overwhelming and not surefire guarantee, and an editorial board post courtesy of Murdoch doesn't change Trump's reckless behavior.

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8 hours ago, Heads22 said:

Can we not with the politics

In what world can you thread a needle so perfectly as to avoid talking politics while talking about the epidemic? Lord.

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9 hours ago, Heads22 said:

Can we not with the politics

Questions needed to be answered though!

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4 hours ago, Reddy said:

In what world can you thread a needle so perfectly as to avoid talking politics while talking about the epidemic? Lord.

Well, I’m making a conscious effort to discuss it more ‘tactics-wise’ as opposed to entrenched policy standpoints or positions that are highly unlikely to change, but even C-Span gets bombarded with calls saying one side or the other is receiving more time or not getting cut off by moderators, etc.   I guess if everyone accuses you of unfairness...you must be doing something right.

But it is surreal when Cuomo is at 87% approval, that’s GW Bush after 9/11 numbers...or his father after the first Gulf War.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

This is the fastest way to track by countries...we’ve passed China and France for third, but running a much lower mortality rate (so far, knock on wood) compared to Italy and Spain who are off the charts or simply overwhelmed/under-testing at this point. 

 

https://kvia.com/health/2020/03/31/umc-reinstates-doctor-who-had-job-threatened-for-wearing-mask-in-hospital-hallways/

I can pretty much guarantee most of the rest of the world is not FIRING doctors and nurses for wearing masks WALKING down the HALLWAYS of a HOSPITAL in order to protect themselves/patients/family at home.

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4 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Looks like Trump was right about chloroquine. Might have to start calling him Dr. Trump.

Uh no.  The study  in France involved people who were not Seniors and those without serious  pre-existing medical conditions. You can give a placebo pill to otherwise healthy young people and most will recover after being infected the Covid-19 virus    To cast further doubts, the  dude who is promoting hyrochloriquine looks like Trump's family doctor.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200329-french-expert-says-second-study-shows-malaria-drug-helps-fight-coronavirus

 

 

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New conspiracy theory of the day:

Italian authorities are counting EVERY death that's happening in the country as COVID-19 because that will put it in a better position to receive sympathy/international aid/assistance...as well as protecting the PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain) economies from economic devastation (insurance settlements?) and also position the southern European economies to have a better negotiating position vis a vis Germany/Austria/Netherlands over the issuing of Corona bonds backed by those three economically-sound countries of the EU.

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12 minutes ago, tray said:

Uh no.  The study  in France involved people who were not Seniors and those without serious  pre-existing medical conditions. You can give a placebo pill to otherwise healthy young people and most will recover after being infected the Covid-19 virus    To cast further doubts, the  dude who is promoting hyrochloriquine looks like Trump's family doctor.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200329-french-expert-says-second-study-shows-malaria-drug-helps-fight-coronavirus

 

 

https://www.mediaite.com/news/hannity-touts-unverified-coronavirus-treatment-from-ny-family-doctor-who-posted-unsubstantiated-and-irresponsible-facebook-video-about-outbreak/    Same NY doctor, or a different one?   Or in Florida, Mar-A-Lago?

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That Dr Vladimir Zelenko story going around just doesn't sit right with me.  That guy is saying he successfully treated 700 people with hydrochloriquine, but has no documented proof.  It seems like a big scam
 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/zelenko-669-coronavirus-patients/

 

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Zelenko’s claims, however, rest solely on taking him at his word: He has published no data, described no study design, and reported no analysis."

 

also, that guy with that huge beard is around almost 700 patients?  There is no way a ventilator could protect his face.  I have seen the video that shows doctors preparing for interaction with patients and they might as well be the spooks from the movie E.T.  dressed in full body suits

 

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28 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

That Dr Vladimir Zelenko story going around just doesn't sit right with me.  That guy is saying he successfully treated 700 people with hydrochloriquine, but has no documented proof.  It seems like a big scam

Exactly what it is. And he isn't the only snake oil salesman looking to profit off a pandemic. I see Yahoo message board posts every day that make false claims like

"my buddy was in critical conduction with the Corona virus , then he  was given hydrochlorinique and zpac, and was able to walk out the hospital a few days later."

People are losing patience right now and don't need a pep talk or false hope...just the facts. .  President Trump has issues with Democrats and people that are disloyal in his own party but he can't continue to make his problems our problems. The country needs to unite right now  and we all need to get on the same page and on the same schedule.  I don't see that happening yet.

 

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12 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

This is absolutely silly. I don't think China purposefully released this virus as an act of biological warfare. Regardless, comparing the US to China is an absolute joke. They literally have Uighur concentration camps where they harvest the organs of the prisoners. 

I get it, "America bad" is the cool mindset to have, but what a reach by you. Comparing China to the US from a humanitarian standpoint is laughable. 

Agreed.  The argument that America is just as bad as China simply exists because people hate the President and want him out of office so this argument is fuel for their fire.  Meanwhile, in China...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-religious-ethnic-minorities-uighur-muslim-harvest-organs-un-human-rights-a9117911.html

Comparing the US to China at a humanitarian level is an absolute joke.  It’s no surprise, people who make this argument live in the US.

So when people laugh at the idea that China would do something insane like spread a virus, well, they already harvest and sell organs and other body parts from people they don’t like while these people are still alive.  Insanity sometimes knows no bounds.

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4 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

200k is wildly optimistic

How they could have that number and not do a national shutdown is insane

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Nobody is “praising” China these days except the WHO!!!   Pretty much everyone has noted draconian measures taken here are simply not feasible in democratic countries.  By noting Chinese who were ill or asymptomatic were separated from their families, it’s not praise but sound medical practice that should have been emulated more carefully by Italy. 

They (the press) are mostly praising Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan...and Germany, more recently.

 

 

The Imperial College researchers estimate that in Italy 38,000 deaths have been averted (as of March 31 that is nearly four times the number of deaths recorded); and in Spain 16,000 – compared to a situation in which restrictions had not been introduced. In Italy’s case, they say, “despite mounting pressure on health systems, interventions have averted a health care catastrophe.”

The researchers caution against relaxing restrictions, saying that “many more deaths will be averted through ensuring that interventions remain in place until transmission drops to low levels.”

www.cnn.com

Fwiw, Spain and Italy at roughly 21,500 deaths combined as of this moment.

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I don't think they have the authority to do it at the federal level, but a lot of states would follow the feds lead on this if they were directed.

 

Instead we spend weeks/months calling it a hoax, just the flu, cases going to zero soon, open by Easter etc. Desantis in Florida was explicit about waiting for direction from the feds on this. Beaches are still open and crowded!

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Just now, StrangeSox said:

I don't think they have the authority to do it at the federal level, but a lot of states would follow the feds lead on this if they were directed.

 

Instead we spend weeks/months calling it a hoax, just the flu, cases going to zero soon, open by Easter etc. Desantis in Florida was explicit about waiting for direction from the feds on this. Beaches are still open and crowded!

Supposedly the Surgeon General just told him to issue a Stay at Home order.

 

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