Quin Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 So, since Tony Pena isn't Dotel Lite, what do we do with Octavio this offseason? I'm for resigning him, since he adds a strength to the bullpen, and Pena or Linebrink are the other options for the right-handed setup man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a rude Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 offer arb and let his ass go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (son of a rude @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 08:33 PM) offer arb and let his ass go He'll accept it if we offer it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a rude Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 He'll accept it if we offer it. Do we have any idea how much we will need to pay him in arb? I thought it was a small enough amount where he wouldn't definitely accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (son of a rude @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 08:35 PM) Do we have any idea how much we will need to pay him in arb? I thought it was a small enough amount where he wouldn't definitely accept it. I don't think you can offer him any less than 80% or something of what he made this year. So it's going to have to be at least $4.4 million or so. I can't see him passing that up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Time to try somebody else in his role. Please find a way to dump him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 There are always plenty of relievers. If we can sign him in the $3 mil/yr range. Have at it. If not, let him walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prochisox Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Offer arb and if he accepts, trade him and pay some salary, the better the propects, the more we pay, bullpen arms are hard to come by nowadays, I'm sure someone will bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (GO CHI SOX! @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 09:16 PM) Offer arb and if he accepts, trade him and pay some salary, the better the propects, the more we pay, bullpen arms are hard to come by nowadays, I'm sure someone will bite. I don't believe you can trade a player who accepts arbitration until sometime in June. And I would say that Tony Pena is exactly Octavio Dotel lite. And I bet he improves on his numbers next year (and while he hasn't been good, he hasn't been as bad as a lot of people would like to think. Just look at his numbers since coming to the White Sox, and look at his last 10 outings or so). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 We already have to be concerned about the Linebrink and Rios contracts, NO WAY we offer Dotel arbitration. Never, ever, ever. KW lucked out with Cabrera last offseason, he won't risk it again anytime soon in this economic climate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 08:36 PM) I don't think you can offer him any less than 80% or something of what he made this year. So it's going to have to be at least $4.4 million or so. I can't see him passing that up... And if Dotel countered with $6M he'd win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 The draft picks are a primary factor here. Offer him ARB, if he accepts we got a good bullpen arm, if he rejects we get to let Doug Laumann go to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 If we were to offer Dotel arbitration, and he accepted for say 4.4M would you then; Try and trade Dotel for a spect or 2 OR Keep him at that price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (son of a rude @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 09:33 PM) offer arb and let his ass go I agree. I think Dotel is showing you the equivalent of Jermaine Dye 2nd half weardown after age and innings pile up. Though we do need to add couple "go to" guys in the pen, i dont think Dotel fits into those plans in 2010 and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 11:07 PM) If we were to offer Dotel arbitration, and he accepted for say 4.4M would you then; Try and trade Dotel for a spect or 2 OR Keep him at that price? You're going to have to pay for him for at least half the year. If you then trade him in July, you're not going to get the picks. So the question then becomes is he worth $2.5 million through July, and then whatever assets he brings back via trade? You may have to include money in the deal to trade him, and you may not get much back for him considering many teams are concerned about the exact same thing the Sox are - paying an inflated arb price or having him walk away and leaving you with nothing. It's really a tough call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 and he's going to get more than $4.4 mill, because there is nothing he has done this season to deserve a pay cut; as Kalapse said, he'll go to the arbiter with $6 mill at the minimum, and he'll win, and he could even go with $6.25, and he could probably justify getting that too. With the scare Williams got last year with Cabrera, there is no shot in hell he is going to offer arbitration to Dotel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 8, 2009 -> 12:05 AM) and he's going to get more than $4.4 mill, because there is nothing he has done this season to deserve a pay cut; as Kalapse said, he'll go to the arbiter with $6 mill at the minimum, and he'll win, and he could even go with $6.25, and he could probably justify getting that too. With the scare Williams got last year with Cabrera, there is no shot in hell he is going to offer arbitration to Dotel. I wouldn't say there is no chance. I think if there was literally no chance, he would have been dealt after the non-waiver deadline. But that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 8, 2009 -> 01:08 AM) I wouldn't say there is no chance. I think if there was literally no chance, he would have been dealt after the non-waiver deadline. But that's just my opinion. Depends on who claimed him and if they were willing to give anything up. It also depends on if Williams and company would be just fine with giving him $6 mill next year; if they are, then they will offer him arbitration. It's not as if Dotel has been bad, he's just been shaky at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 8, 2009 -> 12:07 AM) If we were to offer Dotel arbitration, and he accepted for say 4.4M would you then; Try and trade Dotel for a spect or 2 OR Keep him at that price? Why would he "accept" for $4.4 million. Dotel would submit his figure and the arbitor would decide. How they work is they split the difference between the 2 figures, so lets say the Sox offered $4.4 million and Dotel countered with $6 million. $5.2 million is the center. If the arbitor feels he's worth $5,199,999, the Sox would win. If he or she feels he's worth $5,200,001, Dotel would get $6 million. Considering that would be a pretty big cut and he's still considered type A compension, Dotel would definitely win. There's a good chance the Sox would wind up paying him $7 million. Considering no team apparently was interested in paying Dotel his current salary for a month, trading him a year older with just as big of contract most likely isn't a reality, unless you pick up some of it, and that wouldn't be very wise. Edited September 8, 2009 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Don't Ask Dotel .... Best middle relief outside Farnsworth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Why would we want Dotel back, at even half of his current price? He'll be 36 in November and has a 1.53 WHIP this year. We can get below-average pitching from our farm system at a fraction of his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Sep 9, 2009 -> 01:05 AM) Why would we want Dotel back, at even half of his current price? He'll be 36 in November and has a 1.53 WHIP this year. We can get below-average pitching from our farm system at a fraction of his salary. I'd imagine Jhonny Nunez is definitely going to be on our roster most likely come 2010. But then again, guys like Adam Russell haven't done the job in the past either. It all depends how KW uses the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 8, 2009 -> 08:12 AM) I'd imagine Jhonny Nunez is definitely going to be on our roster most likely come 2010. But then again, guys like Adam Russell haven't done the job in the past either. It all depends how KW uses the money. If Kenny has money left over to sign Dotel to a one-year deal, I'd rather he allocate those funds towards giving Jenks (who can still pitch effectively) arbitration. If there's money left over, he's going to have to hit the FA market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Jenks won't go to arbitration. The Sox don't mess around with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 And Dotel won't be offered arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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