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Never because @footlongcomiskeydog @greg775 and @WBWSF don’t think so either

Awesome. Further confirmation that Hahn gets it.

2019

Why don't you find a new team to cheer for? You seemingly have NOTHING positive to say about the organization.

Sometimes I Sometimes I think some of you are on here just to complain. When this team is going deep in the playoffs in 3-5 years yall will still call for Hahn's head or KWs head or whatever. Not every GM is perfect. How the hell was he supposed to know dude was on drugs? Everyone praised this signing the moment it happened. No one knew what Narvaez or Smith would be like this year, and we needed a vet to work with the young pitchers.

You both stated opinions. And you refused to offer up any facts to back up your claim when asked. Sometimes your opinions aren't always right over someone else's just because you said it.

The idea of trading Carlos Rodon this offseason has been floating around these parts and others lately and it makes little sense to me. The kid is finally starting to put it together and is under team control for 2019, 2020, and 2021. Why in the world would you want to trade him now for more prospects? Does this sound crazy to anyone else? The Sox are past the teardown stage of the rebuild. The rest of this year and next should be developmental years but the Sox should be trying to get after it in 2020 ( year 4 of the rebuild). Carlos Rodon should be in those plans and will hopefully be an anchor at the top of the rotation. Whenever someone is critical of the Sox rebuild, people love to preach patience and point to the success of the Cubs and Astros. Well, the Cubs and Astros certainly didn't trade away any of their young cost-controlled future studs during the early parts of their rebuild. A trade of Rodon would signal that people are cool with punting away the 2020 and 2021 seasons. That is not cool with me and I'm sure other Sox fans feel the same. This year and last have pretty much sucked and I don't want to sit through 3 or 4 more years of garbage baseball. Let's forget about prospect hoarding and start moving in a winning direction!

You said pitching prospects are ticking time bombs in another thread earlier today. Now you’re hesitant to trade a pitcher who has shoulder issues. Which is it, man?

Optimistically: 2022 A rebuild should take 3 years, imo. They should be good in 2020. I don't think they will be. I'm optimistic that JR will clean out his FO after 2020; optimistic that he will hire a quality FO; and optimistic that there will still be enough young talent for a new FO to fix it in a year or two.

I can dig the sarcasm. However, the situation that you describe has played out in the past with other franchises. First we move Rodon before the 2021 window ,and next thing you know we are worried about moving Moncada before the 2024 window closes cause the guys you got for Rodon are "still developing".

Ricky's boys with the tank loss. Highlight of the game was the nun's first pitch. Yoan would have struck out looking on it

Robot umps would make Moncada an all star at this point.

Did you really just tag the axis of evil? You're in trouble now! ?

The Sox will never again be good at the mlb level. As assets developed they will be traded for more assets to maintain a perennial top three farm. The rebuild is perpetual and a never ending story, but a happy one. In time Sox fans will morph into shiny happy people holding hands singing kumbaya and eating smores around a campfire talking about how great it will be when the evil gargamel sells the Sox to Mark Cuban. So buck up little campers because every little ting is gonna be alright.

I feel like Robin Ventura is going to come to your home, knock on your door, and spit in your face. I'm not even sure which one to cite here, the 9 game stretch in 2013 where he averaged 117 pitches thrown per start with a 124 pitch outing, the 125 pitch outing in 2015 in the middle of the stretch in 2015 from May 1 to the All Star Break where he averaged 114 pitches thrown per start and then the White Sox publicly stated that they didn't want him pitching in the all star game right afterwards almost as if someone had overworked him, or the 3 months in 2014 where he came off the disabled list and then after 2 starts where he had pitch count limits he was never once under 100 pitches from June 1 to August 31 (averaging 110 pitches a start).

They will be good in 2020. They will truly compete for WS in 2021.

Lol some people just love to complain. Nevermind that he isn't getting paid while suspended, that he played pretty well before that, that we don't know what kind of player Narvaez is long term (probably a 0-1 WAR backup, but maybe not!) and we DO know what kind of player Smith is (bad) - he thinks signing Castillo was a mistake. Complain about something else. I'll be glad to have Castillo back. Catching talent is really poor throughout baseball right now, and he's competent. I'll take it.

You need to STFU & think before saying shit that isn’t true. Implying the Sox’s rebuild has been pitching focused or we lack high-end positional talent is quite frankly a bold faced lie. Moncada (BA #2 - 2016) Anderson (BA #45 - 2015) Jimenez (BA #3 / MP #3 / FG #3) Robert (BA #46 / MP #25 / FG #20) Madrigal (BA #30 / MP #32 / FG #23) Collins (FG #67) Rutherford (MP #88) Adolfo (FG #88 / KL top 50 HM) Basabe (FG #84) That’s nine guys who placed on a top 100 list. That doesn’t include our top three picks from the 2017 draft or our 2nd round pick from this year’s draft. All four of those guys have a chance to make one those lists in the future, with Gonzalez being a real possibility this offseason. There is a ton of positional talent in the organization and it’s an essential part of the rebuild no matter how you try to spin things.

Great post. No reason to root for losses at this point when the possible range of outcomes is 3rd to 5th pick. Might as well cheer for wins and see where things stand near the end of the season. That’s when I’ll start rooting for losses if it makes a difference in draft position.

I can’t remember a poster in all my years here who brought less to the table than Tommy Longo. Like we have to go back to Marty34 to find someone who combined a negative outlook with illogical reasoning for everything they argued. This Gorman/Madrigal bet has got to be one of the single dumbest attempts to rip a player I have ever seen. But this is the internet and people love being dumb, loud, & proud.

Evil incarnate.

And brett05?

Especially since Avi has probably hustled the most of anyone in the organization on routine grounders since he's been here.

More bullshit from Ricky. Avi has had a bad hammy for months, has a sore knee and gets benched for not busting his ass on a routine fly out. https://mobile.twitter.com/scotgregor/status/1030659818074394624

I hope Abreu is a White Sox forever

That isn’t what I am saying. Dude. You are saying that not calling them up is hurting their development. Prove it. Give an example of someone who spent too much time in the minor leagues. Someone who would have been a building block had they just beeen called up in September. I can list guys who were great in September and sucked when the bell rang for spring training. These guys have taken their Septembers off their entire professional careers. Kopech even served a lengthy suspension, yet, somehow, some way they are still considered elite prospects. They still were able to develop. I don’t know how, but I think it’s a sign they will be OK if they go home in a couple of weeks and show up at Soxfest in January. Calling them up now would be a waste. Meaningless games, many against teams similarly situated, makes them basically spring training games. They might get something out of it, but nothing that would leave them far behind next year, especially if they are as good as you think. Sending them home is a small price to pay for the extra control. And as long as they perform well, that extra year will be quite valuable whether the team is good or bad at that point. They would either be huge pieces of a contender or trade bait. Now, they would be playing glorified spring training games.

They absolutely shouldn't be up until late April next year, why waste service time on a 90+ loss team?

Don't think one has anything to do with the other really. I think this org is just chickenshit sometimes.

Really dude you pasted the tweet link but you couldn't post the short text excerpt that we care about? I guess at least I get to pad my post count by fixing this...

This is all so much easier said than done.

No doubt. While some of the pitches called strikes were obvious, many are "too close to take." The umpires are human. This isn't an exact science. The hitters need to be aware of that.

I do agree that he should swing more with 2 strikes. But not on pitches that are called strikes 0% of the time, because they're nearly unhittable anyway. That's more what I was getting at, those 15-25 calls that were just indefensible for an umpire. If the pitch is like an inch off the zone, then yes, he should expand and swing.

I disagree with this statement wholeheartedly and pivot it more to a conversation about people who played the game for an extended period of time vs. those who didn't. You are taught to take the game out of the umps hands with two strikes. What that means is, as a hitter, you are typically taught to slightly expand your zone with 2 strikes so that you don't give up an at bat. Period. Moncada looks at too many close pitches and quite frankly too many pitches in general (that are in the hitting zone). This is an approach thing and while he absolutely has a good eye, he also is not near aggressive enough and is going to have to look at film and come up with an adjusted strategy. The entire Sox offensive coaching staff is essentially blasting Moncada for not being aggressive and it goes back to this basic concept that is essentially grounded in baseball players heads from a young age. And even as strike out numbers amount, the reason people are striking out a lot more isn't because they don't swing with 2 strikes and let strikes go looking...its cause they swing as hard as they can every damn time (vs. shifting an approach with 2 strikes to be more contact specific...look for the base hit vs. the HR).