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I used to think this, but seeing what the similar teams who did spend and build franchise value are worth these days, it is very clear to me that Jerry literally left billions on the table with his cheap ways in the overall franchise value. This could easily be a 4 to 5 billion franchise if he had invested hard into it. He didn't, and it is worth about half of that.

This year's success is all the reason for Jerry to not spend money. He probably thinks you can have this success with this low of a payroll every year.

For some Sox fans, yes.

Hitler?

I think AJ nailed it, and it’s not a surprise. I’m more surprised that some people seem to think Jerry is going to allow Getz to go on a spending spree, lockout or no lockout.

This is one way to respond to somebody proving your points wrong.

yes.

The link I posted with Foul Territory talking with Josh Nelson has a lot of the info you are looking for. Nelson broke down the strikeouts against high speed fastballs.

Yeah, more short-sighted or "penny wise, dollar foolish" than anything. History has shown he's willing to increase the payroll after more money starts rolling in thanks to increased attendance after a winning season. But, he always stops just short of really putting this franchise over the top. Their big "All In" move (which became their advertising slogan that year) that I can think of was to sign the one-dimensional, 32-year old Adam Dunn to a four-year contract. Even with the infamous Hahn rebuild where "the money will be spent", he wouldn't commit to Machado or Harper and instead the Sox spread all that payroll space they had on B-level free agents like Keuchel and Grandal plus trying to outsmart the market by signing their young, unproven talent to extensions. Not to mention that this has taken place on top of not investing enough in scouting, player development, international scouting, etc. Look at the Padres. Yeah, they have no WS titles or pennants to show for their actions, but they now draw 3M a year and were sold for nearly $4B thanks to fielding exciting teams and developing a top-notch ballpark.

At least he's not arrogant.

It's a close cousin to back up quarterback syndrome.

In 7 AFL games Bonemer has 3 doubles, 1 triple and 1 homerun.

He’s more greedy than stupid

This regime haven’t really rushed anybody.

Plus his age.

I honestly thought Droth was a star wars character for a second. Meidroth is a defensive downgrade over Colson at Short in my opinion.

I found it interesting just how similar he is to Luke Keaschall. They're like the same player except on opposite sides of the plate (and field). I honestly think Sam just needs to DH and he can spot start in the OF or 2B to give regulars a breather. His offensive value and base running are good enough that he should still be around a league average DH without hurting you too badly on defense.

Wherever this kid goes, he hits, and he hits HARD. He's got 3 doubles and a triple in 22 ABs at AFL. 1.007 OPS. Had a 140 wRC+ in AA as a 20 year old. 37 HR in 132 games. This guy is going to be an absolute star. He's got 40 HR potential. The only question is where will he play. He's faster than expected and is playing CF in the AFL. I believe his home to 1st time he got clocked at recently would put him at 55-60 grade speed. Would be awesome if he could play a good CF. I'm guessing we see him at 3rd or in the corner. With his speed and arm he's got potential to be a plus fielder at the corner.

Don't worry. We're going to rub it in SS2K5's stupid idiot face when Bonemer comes up here and dominates.

You keep saying this, but they took on considerable money at the deadline. Jerry has always refused eating contracts before the final year and they didn’t want Dominguez on the roster any longer. Stupid way to approach things, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t money to spend. I don’t think people are realizing how ridiculously low our payroll was last year or how much a $120M would be relative to the rest of the league or what we have historically spent.

Don't tease me!! 😁

Caught this yesterday, what a blunder bringing him in was. His -0.9 WAR over just 6 starts and 9 appearances with the Sox likely cost them the division, then he pulls s%*# like this. Fire him into the sun and eat the money.

I don't think they rushed Braden. I think Braden came up when he was ready but now has to make adjustments at the MLB level......it's ok to do that. Not everyone comes up and rakes, it's all a process.

Who did they rush this year?

Colson had 11 HRs across 96 games in A-AA as a 20 year old (mostly in A and A+). Bonemer had 37 homeruns in 132 games across A+-AA. He's hitting for WAY more power. .154 ISO vs a .300 ISO.

In 2006 I thought the Sox made all the right moves to repeat by trading for Jim Thome & Javier Vazquez.

You could argue they rushed Braden and we saw the results of that.

One factoid today: October 14, 1906 - The Sox beat the Cubs, winning the World Series four games to two behind the pitching of Guy "Doc" White. They clinched the title winning the sixth game 8-3. “Big” Ed Walsh won two games for the Sox during the series with infielder George Rohe batting .333 and playing in all six games. The “Hitless Wonders” White Sox had a team batting average of only .230 for the season and hit even worse, .198 in the series. But they collected 10 doubles and three triples in the six games and held the powerful Cubs to a series batting average of only .196 After the game, owner Charles Comiskey handed a 15,000 thousand dollar check to manager Fielder Jones. It was to be split among the players. The players viewed the check as a bonus for their efforts. Comiskey though considered it as part of their 1907 salary! The seeds of the eventual “Black Sox” scandal were perhaps sown on this day. It is the only time in over a century of playing baseball that the Sox and Cubs have ever met in the postseason.

What do those players have to do with the current sox front office?

The crazy thing with union support, and a lot of potentially high paying jobs out there in these projects, I am surprised they aren't feeling more heat.

Not saying he won't be a great hitter, but he has all of the hallmarks of a dude that sees the extremes at the major league level with his boom and bust homer and K rates. We love him now, but I am sure he will be hated for periods of time soon enough.

Why doesn't every player on the team have a 2-strike approach instead of swing from their heels?

Ha, I even said I bet they tried to get Castillo on the IL earlier because there was no way they didn't want to replace him down the stretch. Of course he refused.

Yeah, Not sure what year he’s living in. We got a Boner Homer today. He and Shelton both went deep. If Shelton could get more consistency he could be a guy too.

Considering what they gave up for him....that made it even worse.

Loved seeing Ramirez be the reason they lost tonight. Also after seeing the Rays get dominated by CLE pitching, we should be less critical of our guys. The Rays have looked bad the last two nights.

It sure doesn’t appear so, which is the most frustrating part of these public meetings. There is a very realistic path for the city to encourage Amtrak to develop on, say, the Global 1 site instead of the Canal St. Yards, but Alderman Lee either isn’t aware enough to do so or doesn’t care enough to try. Regardless, she’s ensuring that nothing is actually being accomplished except generating slight media buzz against the Railyards development. Only God knows what’s going to happen to 35th and Shields (after the Sox move) with her at the helm.

Dude punched a teammate over fantasy football. He's more than grouchy or unlikeable.

"The hell you will!" JR, probably

Catch up to them by hiring away the best and brightest. Pay them whatever they want but get them over here.

I understand the frustration with TEEL but I'm not ready to trade him or give up on him. I would love to see him paired with a Ryan Jeffers.

I still miss his “UH-OH!!!” homerun calls. At least if they aren’t that good, they can still be funny as hell. 🤣

I loved their approach against Messick (both times) and Williams, the first time they faced him.

We need an off season catch all! Just saw this on MLB shop. I can't justify the price but it really is a nice festive cap, fitted too. https://www.neweracap.com/products/chicago-white-sox-pumpkin-patch-59fifty-fitted

I just can’t imagine how much Detmers will cost now. Angels played that perfectly. Bonemer plus for him would be the cost.

Left-handed power was a huge reason for the White Sox success. They led the AL in walks, hit 211 homers and led in runs scored and fangraphs WAR. I don't know how they replace the left-handed power if they get rid of Montgomery and/or Murakami. Sam shouldn't be in LF full time but Meidroth is ones of the best 2B in the sport and moving him to shortstop would be a mistake. I'm not expecting major changes to the offense.

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I can't wait to see both Bonemer and Roch on the MLB roster.