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Can you please keep this shit in the MLB game threads?

He’s likely toast because of one bad outing in AA? You really are nothing but doom & gloom bro.

We will be fine after all the injured players and prospects are healthy. I can’t see blaming one guy when I am sure the team strategy is a consensus of all top management

I just look at the Sox v. the Padres. Started the rebuilds at the same time; both had made failed "go for it moves" a couple of seasons before. The difference is that Preller mitigated his losses; Hahn didn't. That put Preller close to an even start with Hahn despite Hahn having so much ammo to trade. Then of course, he schooled Hahn in the Tatis trade; it's not surprising as Preller spent years in the weeds scouting talent, while Hahn sat in an office. And beyond Tatis, the difference is striking. The dismal record, the failed 2013-2016 effort; the scorched earth disaster in June 2016.....and being so far behind the Padres. Devotion to lifers, hiring buddies, failure to modernize the front office with analytics. When is enough enough?

There is no successful rebuild if they don't spend significant money. They're not good enough developing prospects. I know one report recently came out that said they're the worst in baseball, and equally as bad at developing hitters as they are pitchers.

He was at 99 in his first rehab outing back.

This is horrible advice. Do that and you risk committing suicide. Never mix alcohol and benzodiazapines.

Haha, at least Alonso is at DH and we let one of the worst defensive 1B of the last 5 years continue to log starts at the position.

I think you should make a thread about it.

This is ludicrous

Ditto

As a white guy, I understand why it is frustrating to be told "you can't have an opinion on this because you are white." But seriously, just think a little bit. Just a little. The only reason this is true is because blacks were told for centuries "you can't have freedom/humanity/equal rights etc because you are black." We brought this situation on ourselves, so lets stop making it worse and just shut up for once.

Ha... Huff just homered @fathom @Jose Abreu

Is it me or does it seem like the White Sox always sh*t the bed when they have a large crowd at home?

LMAO. You sound like a Blockbuster Video Executive telling his Board not to worry about the new invention called the internet.

At last check, Moncada is 28th out of 29 qualified 3rd baseman defensively on fangraphs. Anderson is 23rd out of 25 for qualified SS. The Sox would be the worst defensive team in baseball if not for the Mariners AMAZING defensive season so far.

Seemingly half of this board tried telling me he was washed up and lying about his age two weeks ago

The best PC in my lifetime.

Trying to justify Renteria's decisions, during his tenure but especially this year, is an insult to anyone with even a semblance of intelligence. It's mind numbing how bad he is.

I say this all the time but I've never seen a fanbase hate one of its best players so much. It's a shame

Abreu has driven both our runs so let’s blame him for us losing. Let’s get a grip on reality please

You give them too much credit. The Chairman is stuck in the 50's.

Moncada hasn't exactly proven to be a stellar defensive player, and god knows Timmy is streaky defensively.

And Al Lopez as manager. Don't forget Don Gutteridge as 1B coach and Tony Cuccinello over at 3rd.

Agreed

He is 63 years old, he’s got to be getting pretty close to retirement. I appreciate his past contributions, but it definitely time for him to go.

I vote this to be the dumbest poll of all time.

Just when I thought I was in, they push me back out.

Ha. I'm pretty sure the phrase "prospect development isn't linear" was coined somewhere and sometime by a floundering general manager.

Do they though? I have a feeling in 2023 we're going to be having the same discussion about Kopech and Cease that we are about Rodon now.

Honestly, the Sox might be the furthest away from competing of all rebuilding teams in baseball. I can safely say they're as far away as the Orioles now. The Sox had a 2 year head start and 3 great assets to trade and they completely bungled the whole thing. The Tigers and Royals will have passed them by 7/31.

Even though Fulmer sucks this is just one of those nights. I still think Banuelos has a future in the rotation.

It would be lovely if Birmingham started hitting again. Shades of the first week of the season. Poor Omar can't even have the boys bunt when they don't reach first.

Because the consensus of the draft community was that he was better. Why did 21 teams draft anyone before Mike Trout, or look where Piazza was drafted.

Walker Buehler has a 5.22 ERA this season.

Fulmer's BB/9 is now 9.6.

You mean Jerry should list the team for sale tomorrow

Yep. Anyone who thinks this team can be competitive next year without spending 500 million plus in FA needs to get their head examined. 75 percent of the MLB roster is AAAA floatsam and jetsam. 2020 gonna be another tank year.

Jerry reinsdorf is a complete pile of crap. It's so annoying he keeps saying with a straight face that he cares about winning. when everything that he does says that he doesn't care!

I think Fulmer has the best potential at least to be a starter.

Can probably take it even further. it will never happen if they keep the same morons in charge!

Just stop

Yes.

Big game for Luis Robert coming tonight.

I agree. Getting healthy players and prospects back is the key. Shit happens and blaming management for bad luck seems misguided. But I do put more blame on one guy in management. The Chairman has the final say. The Machado fiasco was demoralising. What if another owner, with a willingness to open his pocketbook (what did the Padre owner say - something like "I had to do it for the fans"), oversaw the operations. I don't think Hahn would have nearly as much stink on him. How would Hahn do with a ballclub that had an owner that did not hamstring him. At least the team philosophies regarding international spending, player development and analytics have been trending upwards recently under our three headed monster. Too early to tell how it's turning out.

This is a wonderful post.

PREACH. Appreciate how many posters are on the right side of this issue. We're making progress y'all.

Yep. Bad shoulder and bad elbow/arm equals massive hill to climb.

It is when his shoulder is also busted

We’ve been through this before, but the biggest two issues with Rick Hahn & our front office is it’s unwavering loyalty to key staff and a refusal to adapt quickly enough to the changing tides of the game. The acquisition of Ivan Nova is a perfect example of both problems. We have an old school pitching coach who refuses to change his approach amidst the juiced ball era and the Statcast revolution. Most front offices would either educate such pitching coach on what the new analytics suggest or simply would replace them with someone willing to get with the times. Rick Hahn, on the other hand, went out and took on Nova’s $9M salary based on some input from Don Cooper. So far, the results have been disastrous as many of us armchair GMs expected.