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How much service time does he have left?

Since the Royals spent money and we seem to love all things Royals maybe.... ....never mind.

He has a big arm....needs to put in the work to be a good actual RF. I still believe in him (I can't just let go of LH 50 hit/60 power/plus arm) and hopefully being in AAA for awhile and seeing lesser talents playing ahead of him in Chicago will merit a course correction.

I thought I also saw somewhere that Elias was OK with one of those 3 guys but not 2. IMO, if he was OK with giving us Kjerstad, Ortiz and Hall I would definitely do that but I highly doubt he would offer us that.

I think Harold said it was basically the same as Burnes except maybe they added one more piece. I'm assuming that extra piece wasn't a Top 5 guy (perhaps Norby ?). Yeah that's an easy NO from Getz. If Getz wanted Westburg plus one of Cowser/Kjerstad and Elias wasn't even offering one of those guys, then we were never even remotely close to a deal. Props to Elias for the trade he pulled off tho, he did good work for his team.

The fangraphs writeup on him was promising as to the work he put in during the fall.

At the plate at least, I expect a solid year from Beni now that his wrist is fully healed. Like 280/360 and 15 HRs. IMO if we throw in some money it could get us something at the deadline

Other rankings of note: Basallo 20 Dominguez 21 Anthony 22 Mayo 27 Emerson 37 Teel 54 "Nicky" Ortiz 58 Lowder 60 Kjerstad 62 Pereira 63 Bradfield 64 Hence 73 Rushing 86 Stone 95 Gilbert 100 Cowser NR S. Jones NR Hampton NR Norby NR

Rankings and small summary/blurb Montgomery 42 -As to SS, consensus in industry turned for the better and its now 50/50 that he can stick at SS. Felt injury limited him last year and rust/exhaustion also hurt him in AFL. Given a chance to "reset" and become the prior high contact and all fields hitter we saw previously, should continue March to Chicago and be everyday SS or 3B, with 4-5 WAR upside due to hit tool/position. Quero 67- Average arm, but 50-55 defense, OBP north of .350 and a little pop, which is "a starter on majority of teams". Everyday catcher. Ramos 69-Solid average defender at 3B with 55 arm and could move to 2B if needed. Could hit for avg, 10% walk and 20-25 HR, with possibility of 30 HRs and some All Star teams. Nastrini 76-Odds remaining starter over 50% Schultz 79- No. 1 starter upside or top end reliever potential depending on health and coordination For more see https://theathletic.com/5245693/2024/02/05/top-100-mlb-prospects-2024-keith-law/

Does Getz understand that slap hitting Limp Dick bats are not what corner OFers are supposed to be? Asking for a friend. At least he's left handed and did damage against RHP in a limited sample size last year, although he's FAR from a savage. Or maybe the plan is for him to hold down the strongside of the platoon in RF this year and then move him to CF after Robert is traded since he's a glove first player? Does anyone know the scouting report on him as a CF? I still want Lazaro Montes in a SEA trade to serve the savage role, because somewhere at some point, someone in the lineup (esp post Robert) has to strike fear into the pitcher.

When I saw Mariners in the thread title, I immediately thought of Lazaro Montes the LHS...damn. Maybe we will still get him in the Cease trade. And yes I know his profile isn't something Getz likes and No...I don't care.

I was told Santos was untradeable because of the injury.

There's no way they can commit to spending when they spent 180m plus two years in a row (alot for JR and his partners based on history), got little attendance and even less playoff TV money in response, and also allegedly had some losses during COVID. JR was likely taking heat from the partners about the need for some profits so they were always going to financially reset if/when it was clear the rebuild failed. They got almost no ROI for what they spent from 2020-2023. They are going to get some ROI now because of 60m cut in payroll.

Still sell.

He has poppysox syndrome.

So then you actually agree with us that Cease is worth two Top 100 talents+? Because Kjerstad/Cowser is one, Ortiz is another (borderline), and your boy Hall is valued like a Top 100 in terms of SV on BTV. If we take out the 4m for the draft pick and add back in Cowser or Kjerstad (17-20m), that's a net addition of around 14m, so instead of 36m and change, you are proposing BAL to pay us 50m for Cease. I'm glad you are agreeing that we were right with our valuations, aly.

Awhile back there was some dude that said Pirates were trying real hard to get Cease. Prolly would require Termarr plus a SP.

Eh...with BAL getting stronger, Boras has more leverage to force a longer commitment from NYY. Hal doesn't want another bad contract like Rodon. We need him to lean on Cashman a little bit.

https://theathletic.com/5246039/2024/02/02/orioles-corbin-burnes-trade-yankees-outlook/ NYY writer at The Athletic speculates BAL move could force NYY to pony up more for Snell or circle back to Cease.

I think he's just having fun with you. On the other hand, I could certainly see @Quin being Machiavellian behind the scenes.

I would love this trade. The SV for the above is 54m vs Cease's 42m. Even a 10% pitching premium only gets us to about 46-47m. Perhaps the other 8m will be the Cashman doesn't want to get fired premium.

I do not know.

For one year of Burnes, BAL paid the following in SV per BTV: 4m (pick), 18.9m (Hall), and 13.6m (Ortiz). Total: 36.5m Burnes value for that one year is 33.3....so BAL paid a premium of about 10% for pitching. BTV has Cease at 42m....a 10% premium would mean about 46m in SV should be the return or almost exactly Woo, Montes and Clase (49m) from SEA, hypothetically.

SEA would be giving up 49m for 42m so it's actually pretty fair given the SP premium. Clase is Robert's replacement in 25 if they move him next year and Montes could also see the big club sometime in late 25.

I dont think Colas is finished. His projection was 50 hit/60 power he can still get there, he had a bad year and wasn't ready. He needs to get out of Grifols doghouse, put in the time in AAA to work on the things Getz etc told him to work on and hopefully in a couple months we will see what he can do. I still want Montes in a SEA trade regardless of the risk. He destroyed Low A as an 18 year old (994 OPS) 3 years younger than his level. Bring me the young left handed savage with extreme power. Dude could get to the majors before the end of 2025.