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Isn't that three straight at bats for Garcia where he been up with two on and in all three at bats, NOTHING!!!

Is it subjective, or is it people manipulating fact in a situation to prove a erroneous point? What the term for people like that? So, your point is that people weren't purposeful in their inaccurate description of what happened, that they just saw it that way and are therefore not liars. I think you have some validity here. But the point is that they continue to repeat something that is not true. How does one deal with that?

Unless his coach/ manger tells him not to. So a .197 hitter in the 8th of a tied game with a man of 1st, he gets the take sign. According to your post that batter can swing away. Your exact quote was, "A hitter can swing at any pitch he wants." Come on you guys, think before you post.

This is what bothers me with posters who make "absolute" statements as fact. How could he or "should" have absolutely been swinging there when no one, not a few, not some, NO ONE had done it in 20 years. Your opinion makes it an absolute? 557 previous players in that situation disagree with you. It was zero for 557. I don't think you can say "absolutely" here.

How can you say that this stat is not relevant?? This stat proves absolutely that, unwritten or not, everyone was aware of it and followed it. Look at the stat, zero for 557 pitches not broken in 20 years. So it was an idea of sportsmanship that everyone was aware of. So that does give validity to LaRussa being upset. Even if Mercedes didn't know, he was told to take by McEwing. McEwing has said that. I'm tired of people on here lying and saying that Mercedes didn't get the take sign. Here's another repeated lie on this topic I'm sick of reading on this post and site. It's the people that claim that LaRussa thinks it's okay for the Twin to throw at Mercedes, to hit Mercedes. These liars claim that LaRussa is more concerned with the unwritten rules than if one of his players getting injured by being hit by a pitch. Mercedes wasn't hit by a pitch, and he wasn't hit by a pitch because the pitcher didn't throw at him; he threw behind Mercedes. There was no chance of Mercedes being injured, and it's a lie to say there was, a lie continually repeated on this site by people to reinforce a ridiculous point. What LaRussa was okay with is that the Twins made their statement about the 3 and O swing without any chance of Mercedes or any other Sox being hurt. That's what LaRussa was fine with, that the incident was over and the Twins made their statement and, again, no chance of someone being hurt from either team. So stop repeating that lie that LaRussa was okay with Mercedes being hit: LaRussa isn't okay with that and no one was hit. As a former high school basketball coach who has had to sit players down for taunting the other team, I agree with LaRussa about respecting your opponent and the game and not embarrassing your opponent when they're down. I know showboating and showing another player up is common now, but I still have problems with it and I think LaRussa had a right to be angry, especially when Yermin was told to take the pitch, just like he has the right to be angry that Moncada ran through the hold at 3rd sign and got thrown out at home during the gamed the night before. Sorry, make your old man yells at kids to stay off lawn jokes, but I still believe players should do what their coaches tell them to do and players should respect the game and their opponents. Now, if you want to complain about LaRussa on this, there are couple points you could make: First, this stuff never should have gotten out of the clubhouse. I guess the media today makes that all but impossible. Still, I would have like Tony to really, really tried to avoid any questions on this and try to keep it in house. And now the thing that really bothers me and has anyone brought this up? When LaRussa was hired, he was told that stuff like this was gonna happen, excessive celebrations, bat throwing, taunting and showboating. He was told this was gonna happen with this team. Tony made it clear that he understood that players have changed and he's would have to be understanding on this sort of thing. Now, I'm sure this isn't the first thing that a Sox player has done that rubbed TLR wrong, but the 3 and 0 swing was exactly the type of thing he was told would happen, and he replied that he would be, I don't know the right word, "accepting" or and that he could ignore it. And he didn't. This is what bothers me: he is doing exactly what he was told he couldn't do because it would alienate his players, and he said he wouldn't do it, but he did. I hope he can learn from this, and I hope he and the players have talked this out, but that he did what he was told not to do and said he wouldn't do, that is cause for concern. So let's deal with that not all the BS made up stuff that's not true.

Agree with 100%. The bitching about LaRussa just to b**** is already sooooo repetitive and boring. Jesus, get over it and move on. You guys create reasons to b****. Game after game results have shown (like Lamb last night) that your complaints about his lineups have no, zero validity. And the guy that wants to bring up guys from AAA so we can dump the vets? Come on, let’s at least return to reality with your bitching. For all the complains, LaRussa must be doing something right, best record in AL. Now your big b**** is clubhouse drama? Yermin is a big boy; he’ll be just fine.

I agree with this. Really disappointed in Bummer; I really thought that he had turned it around lately. But with Hendricks . . . if a guy scores from 1st, even with no outs? Like this says, we pay him a lot of money to get out of this type of stuff. We needed a strike out there, not a slow roller and a deep fly before that single. And not that single. I keep expecting our bullpen to come around, more or less all of them. But it always seems like one time a night, if we put out three relievers, one of them blows up and gives away the game. Back in the rebuild, when the Sox were bad, our bullpen never seemed this terrible. Is it because the Sox have more leads late in games, so there are more chances to blow those leads for the bullpen. I can't figure out why our bullpen is so bad.

This is such a BS take. I just looked them both up on MLB.com. Yolmer has a career batting average of .245. Madrigal's is 301. 301!! You guys coming on here saying a guy this early in his career that is batting .301 is terrible or bad is just ridiculous. And he's scored 21 runs so far this year, only Abreu and Anderson have scored more runs. And he scoring that many when he's batting 9th a lot of the time, getting less at bats. Aren't runs important? Don't teams need runs to win. Why is hitting a home run of more value than scoring from second on a single. Do home runs count for two runs? Somebody has to be on base to get driven in. To dismiss a .301 batting average because of some other stat is silly. Again, totally not seeing the forest because of the trees. You can give me OPS all you want, but if it dismisses the value of a .300 hitter for not hitting home runs, it's a very, very questionable stat. How about Madrigal's war? Again, war kills me. I always love making fun of war. Right off of "Baseball Reference", from 2019, the year Abreu led the AL in RBIs, his war was 2.3. 2.3, what a joke!! Look it up. He leds the league in RBIs but has a low war. War is a stat I place very little value in. In 2019 and the couple years before that, MANY people on here were quoting Abreu's war for the reason the Sox should trade him for whatever they could get or used it to say the Sox should not, not, not to resign him. How did that turn out? Colome always got a ridiculously low war also, and I'm pretty sure he had the best save (or very close; I looked it up to make fun of war before) percentage of anyone in baseball in his two years with the Sox. Does anybody remember this one? It was a few years ago. But Abreu, in late summer, had a string of like 11 or 12 solo home runs in a row. 11 or 12 home runs with nobody on base. What an embarrassing stat that was for the White Sox that year. You need guys on base to score runs. Earl Weaver, "The key to winning baseball games is good pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." It's kind of hard to do that if no ones on base.

My opinion: anyone who comes on here and attacks La Russa's managerial decisions with an alcohol or drinking comment loses ALL credibility with that post. Did he make mistakes in his past, of course. Does that have absolutely anything to do about his managing? ZERO. Just an ignorant Ad hominen attack. It means a complete loss of credibility as a poster.

Soooo funny. What was the larger number: how many people sure that TLR was an idiot for playing Hamilton yesterday or the number bitching about his playing Lamb today. You can disagree with a manager, even a hall of fame one, but you guys who come on here and comment how he is sooo wrong because you say so; and you say it as an absolute certainty. You guys are ridiculous. He's always played a lot of guys and he's always WON.

"It’s part of what drives him. Bygones be bygones." "Really are you 12? Potty mouth bothers you?" First of all, it's not what "drives" him, it drives his brand. He does it for attention; it's part of his brand. I'm sure at one time it was an occasional expression of excitement or whatever. But the point at which he does it now, it is clearly intentional and something he does for his brand, his image to get people talking about him. No, I'm not 12, but I would like to think that families with children under 12 are going to the game and watching on TV, so that is a concern. Whether you are offended or not, it is offensive. Again, it's most offensive because it's a contrived thing to get him notice and promote his brand. Say whatever you want: it is obviously now to the point that he's doing it on purpose. And finally, I would be ten thousand times more willing to to accept it if he could actually have a 1-2-3 inning. A few less blown saves and not getting hit a lot like last night would make his "display of emotions" or whatever you want to call it much more acceptable. Guys getting paid 54 million and sucking up should just shut up until they start effectively doing the job they're paid to do.

I'm not sure how to say this or what the reason is or whatever, but . . . doesn't it seem the White Sox have gotten more MLB ready talent out of a short covid season and a shorter pre-minor league season at Schaumburg than they have out of the last two or three complete years of minor league ball?? So many people worried about Crochet's and Vaugh's lack of any minor experience, but that hasn't proven to be a problem at all. Does this count for having Yermin at Schaumburg also. Maybe having good talent so close to the Sox main coaches and having they drill over and over and everything else that comes with being in Schaumberg, is more beneficial than sending the talented players out for a full season of minor league. If Yoelqui is really as good and major league ready as Marco Paddy says he is, shouldn't Sox just have him at Schaumberg and do the Crochet/ Vaughn thing with him? Do it with Kelly too, or whomever?

I like Vaughn and think he has a great future. But come on . . . He was 1 for 5 and the double was catchable. A perfect example of someone using an questionable stat “hard-hit” to see what they want to see . Let’s say it this way: Vaughn was 1 for 5 with no strike outs.

Kinda agree. Not a big deal, but shouldn’t he be saved in case needed tomorrow and not wasted during a 8 run lead. Maybe want to work on things. We don’t know.

Wow, this is really fun. A palate cleanser after the Cleveland series.

Has to be one of the better posts of the year.

I don't understand. Where is Yoelqui Cespedes? Why would he not be on Charlotte?

Again, a total eye test, but let's be honest. If I told you to find 19 consecutive fly ball putouts by Eloy that have looked as smooth and competent as Vaughn's 19 outs, I would bet you would have to look long and hard. Not his best 19, but 19 in-a-row. In fact, I would guess that you wouldn't be able to do it. I understand that "smooth and competent" is hard to define exactly, but still, total eye test (now with backing stats); if you're being honest, Vaughn already seems to be better in LF than Eloy.

What strikes me as remarkable is that for however long Eloy has been a Sox, we've been hearing about how hard Eloy works on his defense, how D. Boston works with him hitting him fly ball after fly ball. What is this, his 3rd year as a Sox?? Yet, Vaughn was given an outfielders glove after Eloy got hurt, what 45 days ago, and from both the eye test and now some stats, he clearly seems to be a better defensive outfielder than Jiminez. How is that possible? An Eloy is more athletic. Was all that hard work stuff with Boston just BS?

Look at what you’re saying here. Their scoring THE WINNING RUN has nothing to do with how stupid that move was??? Can’t you step back and see how ridiculous your statement looks here. Plus here’s the mistake every one who agrees with you is making. To get someone as fast as Robert home from 2nd, Madrigal is the better bat there then Yermin. And TLR knew Madrigal would get an at bat with the double play chance removed. All that was needed was a single there (that’s why Gallo was so shallow). That’s an at bat when Nicky is your guy, even over Yermin. Now, you can debate the other way and have some strong points, but to state that TLR was absolutely wrong and stupid ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CLEARLY WORKED is silly on your part.

Actually, it’s pretty easy to excuse. It worked. Because it worked, Sox won the game. That pretty much make your “inexcusable” comment completely . . . . Well . . . Inexcusable.

I see that some people beat me to it, but what idiot came on here two days ago and said that if Abreu can't hit in cold weather that maybe the Sox should sit him down? What idiot said that?? Oh yeah, that was me. Oooops.

Not an Abreu hater. In fact, a few years ago when everyone wanted to trade him (to Boston, if I remember correctly) or never resign him, I'm the one that came on here and talked about how he was the only Sox in the top 100 players in baseball (we now have nine, amazing) how he was a repeat all-star and again how he was the White Sox best player. And everyone started complaining about his defense and low way. So any way, just making it clear that I'm an Abreu fan, a big one. But . . . . . . If he can't hit in cold weather, and he admits it, and Steve Stone keeps tell us how he'll heat up when the weather does, but if he can't hit now. Sit him down. Sit him out when it's cold. He was Boston's best player today hitting double play ball after double play ball. The White Sox should have had 2 or 3 more runs but Abreu's double plays kills us. Steve even said the something about the cold keeping him for lifting the ball and hitting so many ground ball. If that is the case, sit him down. Now we hear how he is a team-first player. How Rick R. got on him for his defense and he really worked on it. Also, he has come into the season the last two years in much better shape and the results have been there. Maybe sitting him in cold weather will motivate him to work on hitting when it's cold. But what happened today, can't keep happening.

I agree. I like him on the show a lot. He's seem very natural, not a stiff like Aaron Rodgers was while hosting Jeopardy.

Six Sox make the All-Star Game (which will not be played in Atlanta): Giolito, Bummer, Robert, Abreu, Moncada, and Anderson; with Anderson, Abreu, and Moncada starting and making a very White Sox AL starting infield. Eloy will return and have a home run before August 15th. But Engel and Eaton will be so solid, both in the field and batting, that Eloy will be made into a DH with some very rare playing in left field (but it will happen to make Eloy happy and when the Sox play an NL team and can't have a DH) And when a ball is hit his way, 60% of Sox fans watching at home will turn away from their TVs in horror and fear of what might happen. Vaughn will be very solid with his bat, but not good enough, to get an everyday spot in the line up due to Engel's ascension and raise tough decisions for Sox management this next winter. As solid as Eaton is next year, during his Minor League season, Yoelqui will leave no doubt that he is the starting RF for 2022. And finally, Avi Garcia will have a great year for Milwaukee so I can continue to come on here and b**** about the Sox releasing my favorite player and say "I told you so" to all the people who didn't want the Sox to pony up the $6 million measly dollars it would have taken to keep him here. And so I can tell all you A-HOLES who wanted him gone that I hope you burn in hell for all eternity. . . . . . Oh . . . . Sorry . . . so sorry, that one just comes out of me every now and then.