TheBooneLoganEra

I have always felt the idea of quantifying an exact number of wins to make up based on a current record, player WAR, X number of acquisitions is very flawed. For instance, let's say this is a 50 win team. In my opinion, Grifol has probably lost this team around 10 or 12 games. That could be low but I absolutely believe that based on what I've watched. With a better manager maybe this team right here wins 60 or 62 games instead. Now let's say they have a closer. Not a great closer mind you, but just an actual closer and maybe setup man. I think they win an extra 8 or 10 games just right there. So now you're sitting at 70 wins. (Is this an exact science? No that's my point). But you add a bat that can hit you 30 hr via free agency, promote some talent that is ready (quero, schultz, maybe montgomery) and yes I think they can approach 80 wins at that point. It's not a billion dollars. This team is just absent basic necessities right now (closer, competent manager, a starting catcher not hitting .060). So sure. You can rationalize how I have here to "make up the appropriate win numbers" but I don't think a record is ever truly indicative of how good or bad a team can be next season because of all of the x factors I mentioned. And sorry, but I'd rather they field a team that can win 80 + games right away then bank on them fielding a consistent 90+ win team in 5 years. They will fail again to do the latter.

All of this right here. Stop moving the goalposts with rebuilding bullshit. That being said if you moved Fedde for an mlb ready prospect to fill a hole and had a rotation of say Crochet, Thorpe, Cannon....and maybe Eder, Iriarte, or Schultz next season thatd be fun to watch. Use money on some bats and a closer they'd compete. Their draft pick will also be very indicative of the route they choose.

Can this turn into Fedde for Kjerstad with some additional pieces please? That kid belongs in the majors he's wasting away in the minors.

Fine. If they kept their ace and made an effort, an honest effort to extend him, fine. I'd rather that. If the fan base continues to make it okay to rebuild, spend nothing, fail and do it again they will never stop.

No you don't. Build around him even if it's for 2 and a half years. Stop allowing it to be okay for this organization to push perpetual rebuilding. It's not. We'll be right back here in 4 years hoping they trade the prospects they received in 2024 for Garrett Crochet.

Can't say this loudly enough....Don't Trade Crochet!

I honestly feel better about them trading Robert than Crochet.

Schriffen is better with him.

I was gonna say let's get him a lead but we all know that doesn't really matter.

Leasure is the perfect example of a young, talented ballplayer being mishandled by a manager and having it negatively effect his career.

Ozzie is right this dude has no idea how to get the last 6 to 9 outs of a game. Two seasons with no defined roles out of the pen, two seasons of disastrous results. Not saying Kopech would improve or anything but what was the plan tonight? Another 2 inning save? What a horrible waste of a wonderful performance out of Fedde.

Kopech didn't have it from pitch 1. How he was left in for that whole disaster is mind boggling.

I was actually okay with that. Was nice to hear.

Signing some free agents and mixing them with young prospects to get to 80 - 85 wins is more likely then rebuilding and coming up with a consistently winning team in 2028. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Right.....I said people would suggest it not that it should be done.

This fan base is so broken. Colson Montgomery is gonna come up, have an all star 1st half in 2025, and half this board will push to trade him for prospects since we're not competing until 2030.

It's delusional to think an 81 win team can't be constructed in one off season. It can. And thats all we should be asking at this point. It takes cash and proper scouting. This organization has fooled you into thinking it's impossible. This team would be 10 games better with a competent manager on top of that. Then go from there. Rick had to convince Jerry the fan base would go along with a rebuild and we did. Shame on us. We shouldn't be fooled into it again.

Kicking the can for the next competitive team to 2028 is unacceptable and this fan base should not tolerate it.

Do we think now that suddenly they will compliment a young core they get in return with 1st class free agents? They will not. It will be the same s%*#.

They shouldn't be looking to build a 90 plus win team for 2026/27, they should be looking to build an 80 win team for 2025. The bar is so fucking low right now, most fans would salivate at an 80 to 82 win season. I know I would. Sue me, I'd like to at least watch competitive Baseball in what.....May? They should hang on to Robert, Crochet and spend a few goddamn dollars this off season on bats with an abundance of arms coming up soon. But no. Cheap bullshit reigns and half this fanbase is already so abused that they're welcoming trading off generational talent for prospects that probably will not develop here. Whoopdi fuckin do. I'm not buying in this time.

Theyre gonna destroy this kid

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There are some great folks in the front office who are both depressed and frustrated with the current state of the organization.

It's really astounding.

Bunting with 2 strikes, no outs and a ghost runner. Dumbest team in baseball.