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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 12:55 AM) As opposed to making the worst possible posts for years... I killed that long mean post about Hahn if anybody wants to kill the responses to it that show it. I think I finally got all the anger out of my system if it's not too late to become more reasonable.

As much as I was and am against the rebuild, Sox traded Sale so now Sox have to trade Q. Otherwise Hahn would be fired as not seeing through his and the organization's vision of a rebuild process that certainly has already been outlined and is part of current team policy so to speak. In the eyes of the rebuilder it boils down to this. Will the position players you get for Q be more valuable to winning a world series in a rebuild situation than somebody close to being an ace pitcher (Q)? Because Q would definitely project to be on the staff when the team according to outlined plan is next vying for a WS title. Q turns 29 before the start of next season. A guy like Quintana probably projects to pitching very well for at least five more seasons which would only take him through his age 33 season. He could pitch well seven more seasons which would take him through his age 35 season. Now even the hugest fans of a rebuild would admit the Sox project to be contenders in 3-5 seasons. At that time you probably will have to acquire somebody like Q in free agency to go with all the young talent on the mound. Maybe not, but maybe. The question is, do you want a 32 year old Q or 33 year old Q anchoring the staff or is it more valuable to worry about finding a Q-like staff anchor at that time (of contention) and in the meantime acquire 3-4 position players would could be key everyday players on the rebuild WS contender? Obviously the Sox clearly have decided on the latter scenario. If you don't trade Q, yes you project to have him as ace in 4 years when the team is contending for a WS title, but you do not have the young guys he could have brought via trade, at least one projected to be a huge bat to go with Moncada and Abreu. My point is ... it's obvious the Sox have chosen the latter course. They are planning on trading Q for as much young talent as possible and if the young starting pitching needs a veteran ace so to speak to anchor that rotation in 3-4-5 years, worry about that then. My conclusion is Hahn has chosen the second course so it is obvious Q will be traded. Rodon, by the way, will be 29 in five seasons and Fulmer 28 during the period of time the Sox are supposed to contend. Interesting that they will not exactly be young pups but the age Q is now. Now if Sox contend in 3 seasons they will only be 26 and 25 respectively. p.s. If this post made no sense then my bad. I do have a slight headache today for some reason.

QUOTE (Nardiwashere @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) They were good enough to win this year but you dont think two of the major pieces are any good? I'm only responding to posts made since I decided to calm down. Haven't you noticed a less obtuse poster?

Yolmer

Sometimes like tonight it seems like the Sox have a better team than their record. I guess Hawk is right about the 60 wins no matter what you do and 60 losses then you define your season in the other games which in our case are probably a cluster of losses. Good to see Anderson looking special of late. And Abreu having another strong season.

It's really almost depressing to read these reviews about United. I realize if your trip is "OK" with no real problems you are probably not apt to post a review but wow. It's almost embarrassing this is an American business. https://www.yelp.com/biz/united-airlines-sa...isco-2?start=20

Abreu is a superstar. Or close to one.

Anderson with the bomb. Nice blast. Nice stroke.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 02:49 AM) I would hope we never see that. It takes away from the integrity of the game. But. It is now 10-1 I don't mind it, El Rockin, but it's cool you don't. The other night some guy was throwingi 57 mph and it was funny. If you are down 10-1 or so it's kinda funny IMO.

At least we're probably going to get to see that position player pitch. My guess is Yolmer. Melky would probably be funniest though. He seems like he'd enjoy it with his carefree attitude, smile, etc.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 11:36 PM) Greg, those are quotes from a five-story tall American war robot named Liberty Prime from the video game Fallout 3. They seem appropriate though.

If this score holds up or gets a little worse I wonder which Sox position player would pitch late in the altitude? Usually if you are down by 9 or so on the road it's possible position player pitcher time which is entertaining. Probably Yolmer.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 01:59 AM) That's what we tried doing with Peavy a few years back. That's right. I forgot about that.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 07:18 AM) AMERICA WILL NEVER FALL TO COMMUNIST INVASION BETTER DEAD THAN RED DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE Cool post. I will bear arms to defend the (less than) great State of Kansas if called upon. We have no other choice.

I'm surprised some teams don't try to acquire players earlier to get more out of them so to speak. But it's another form of "baseball tradition" I guess. Most of the deals are near the trade deadline.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) During the rebuild we will need to hang together as we suffer through some miserable seasons. Hopefully the pain and agony is manageable. I will say it is much easier to accept losing knowing that the organization has made rebuilding the clear priority with the Sale and Eaton trades. A higher draft position will only help us in the future. Pain and agony may be melodramatic or may not be. I've been furious at the team and need to calm down and see what happens. I apologize for any anger I've caused in responding to my anger. It's just a game and I need to trust Hahn a bit as obviously he's not a dunce to get this far in life.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 08:14 PM) Clean slate...you got it. I get it...no one is happy we're in this position, but it's something that every franchise faces from time to time and we're all along for the ride. Love it or hate it, at least they have picked a direction (that has worked for many) and are going in it. All we can do is sit back and watch at this point--watch how the future slowly comes together. It won't be perfect, but you have to admit...our strategy as far as team building philosophy was getting quite old. Bouncing between 70-80 wins for the better part of a decade calls for mega changes to be made. If that means we have to endure a few 60-70 win seasons to get a stretch of 90+ win seasons down the road, it's something to try a different approach to go after. Stick around, no one wants to see you go--you've made it through the toughest years--the years that made us all angry! Now, they're finally doing something about it. This is the real "all-in" White Sox. All in on a plan to get us a better team. Yeah, I'll have to accept it. At least I know my position is well known by now and I'll have to stifle and merely comment on what I think of the trades. And thanks for the clean slate. I am finally accepting the fact my anger is not healthy for me or people who have to read my angry responses. It truly has taken me until mid July to get it off my chest. So I must stop and try to enjoy the ride and maybe the improvement of Anderson and Avi and some of the players.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) Got to the airport on time, checked in but needed to check bags. Their system showed they needed to check us in manually when we did it at the automated kiosk (even as a premier member). They shuttled us from kiosk to line to kiosk to line until we finally got to the right person and since it was 25 min before the flight they told us our baggage wouldnt make it so they had to bump us. Mind you they literally wasted 40 minutes not knowing what the hell they were doing. The next direct flight was 14 hours later or we could take a connecting flight which added about 12 hours onto our travel time. With a pregnant wife and a toddler, this was pretty much a disaster, and of course they already threw our bags on the belt so we couldnt do much but comply. Of course they still charged us for the baggage fees. I actually found a nice lady in customer service that corrected several errors like having all of us in a different row, not having the correct connecting flight and for some reason the moron at the front had changed our return flight to a connecting flight. The funny part was our bags DID make it on our original flight, and we would have made the plane easy since we all have pre-check. So when we got to our destination 12 hours later our bags were sitting in the united office....with nobody in sight. The office was closed so we had to wait another hour for someone to come and get us our bags. It was an unorganized s*** show from start to finish and nobody seemed to want to do anything to help other than the one lady in customer service. Thats the last bit of business they get from me. This is a true horror story. My gosh. You know, I know there's no way you folks could have carried on, but as a single traveler I almost ALWAYS cram it all into a carry on cause just one story like yours is too many for one lifetime. I know you couldn't carry on with a wife who is pregnant and a toddler. You have to live an incident like yours to appreciate how bad something like that is. Travel is exhausting any way (sure it's FUN when you get there finally and get your rental and get in your hotel) but when there are travel snafus and WHEN THE AIRLINE is the cause of the snafus, my gawd it is frustrating. Glad you are holding it against United. It's all we can do is boycott airlines that screw us over. I said on here Southwest has been my favorite BY FAR, yet a buddy of mine tells me a SW Airlines horror story from a few weeks ago. I'm not a fan of travel, just a fan of what happens when you get to your destination up until it's time to go back to the airport for the return flight home. Thanx for sharing your disaster story. Hope your pregnant wife wasn't too stressed.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 01:59 PM) Greg may be smarter than you all think or the best troll ever. It seems the only reason most people won't put him on ignore is because the temptation to respond to his posts is too great. It makes you feel smarter ( not you per se, all those who do respond to him). He is the most responded to and notorious member of Soxtalk. You can make brilliant observations and outstanding analysis but purposely being "off" gets you far more attention and responses. I don't mean to be notorious. It's taken me this long to express my anger at the fact the team isn't going to be good for several more years. I'll just stifle and respond with my opinions of the upcoming trades once they are made. By now my main points have been made clear and I will not repeat them: I am mad at Hahn, mad at Jerry, still mad at Robin, mad at Renteria's bunting, mad that Fulmer and some of the draft picks have not been so good. Since everybody knows where I stand I will not repeat these positions. If I find myself unable to do this, I'll just go away. Give me a clean slate starting now. I can accept that my positions are well known on the state of the team. GO SOX!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 11:36 AM) How about when the Astros recently traded Josh Fields for Yordan Alvarez? There are plenty of examples in baseball history of teams turning modest assets into gold by targeting raw, low level prospects with big ceilings. The idea of holding onto a free agent to be because somehow you don't think the return will be worth it is beyond ridiculous. In fact, it comes across as trolling as it defies all logic and common sense. And Greg isn't Rick Morrissey, he's Skip Bayless. Say something stupid, ignore all (well argued) counterpoints, rinse & repeat. Whether he's a true troll or not is up for debate (I have my suspicions), but at a bare minimum he is purposely being obtuse & outlandish to get attention. I mean how many times can we sit here and allow him to say "alleged rebuild" when there is zero doubt we are rebuilding. Honestly, I love this website and the community of posters, but Greg is starting to make posting here a challenge. And sure, I could block him, but his presence will live on through the numerous responses he gets a day. I'm just really tired of having to sift through his bulls*** to get to the quality discussion & debate. It's really unfortunate that one indivual poster can have this much of an impact on the board and nothing can be done about it. Don't worry. I'll lay off. I'm just mad at the current state of the team and the fact I can't get over the fact this division sucks this year and I was convinced we still had enough talent to contend had we not traded Sale and signed a few free agents. If Hahn can get 3-4 players for Melky, and Frazier, good for him and do it now. I happen to think not much of them and that they won't bring anything of note, but if Hahn can bring "something" in I guess I'm wrong. I have expressed my position enough and everybody knows I am down on the team so I will stop ruining the board with my anger at the team.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 05:26 AM) Let's blow through 4 trades in the last 30 years, real quick: -In 1987, the Braves traded Doyle Alexander to the Tigers. In return, they received John Smoltz. -In 1997, the Red Sox traded Heathcliff Slocumb to the Mariners. In return, they received Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek. -In 2008, the Indians traded Casey Blake to the Dodgers. In return, they received Jon Meloan and Carlos Santana. -In 2016, the Padres traded James Shields to the White Sox. In return, they received the second coming of Christ. This is why you trade guys who don't have much trade value. Anthony Swarzak has been a very good reliever, but he's 31 on a 1 year contract. If you understand economics at all, you understand why he doesn't have much value. You are not going to spend a lot of money on a 22 year old Honda Civic that recently had work done to the transmission, even if it's running phenomenally right now. Same story, except that you don't have a contract that expires with that Honda Civic at the end of the year, whereby that Honda Civic can pick its new owner. Greg, you're smarter than this. Stop trolling. Good post. We'll see how it shakes out. If the Sox are able to trade the impending free agent guys like Frazier, Swarzak, Melky, as well as guys I happen to despise (Holland, Pelfrey) I'll just wait and see what you all think of the return. Even though you make a good point that whoever we get could make it and our players are free agents anyway and we might as well get 'something back' we'll see if you guys think the return is reasonable or kind of a worthless exercise.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 05:52 AM) Lol - "glory of the game by itself". That's beautiful. Is that what White Sox fans should grasp onto AND have been content with these past 12 years since 2005? Forget the "WAHHH - I don't wanna be reminded of the owner's 40 years of futility!" facts. Let the "glory of the game by itself" flags fly over Guaranteed Excuse Field these days and damn anyone who dare criticize the horrific rate of winning that has occurred within. That's the approach less-than-serious fans seem very content with taking, which is just fine. If one playoff series with its lonely one win over the past 12 is good enough for those fans, then just say so. Go ahead, exclaim your satisfaction with that seemingly less-than-desirable record of achievement. In the meantime, let the more serious bunch amongst us share our views as well, without being subjected to the lame insults along the way. My favorite posters change once in a while, but Bosley has come out of nowhere to impress me and please me! Good posts Thad Bosley. Although I will never downplay the 05 title. I applaud them for that at least. Good job. But since then ... puke.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 04:50 AM) At least we now know that greg775 is actually Rick Morrissey. Did Morrissey blast the rebuild?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 01:21 AM) War. War never changes. I guess we can wait and see. But frankly I'm scared. We have a pretty unstable President it appears and kind of a strange duck as president IMO. He's pretty much capable of attacking N Korea at any moment. And we've got china and Russia who do not appear to be very sympathetic toward our position. If China and Russia wind up backing N. Korea on this for whatever reason, I think it's a tense situation.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 06:56 PM) In all honesty this is how you SHOULD handle things like this. You mean the passenger? I disagree. She has lost feeling in her arm from having to hold the child for 3 hours. She paid for the child's seat. I think you owe it to yourself to speak up. You paid 950 for the ticket for the child. It's unacceptable for the airline to not fulfil the transaction and let the kid fly in their own seat. I tell you. If this ever happens to a passenger, the passenger has to make it clear to the moronic flight staff that you WILL be going to call the TV stations as soon as you get off the flight. You will be posting your story all over social media and you will be difficult. You can make a stink and be polite. If I misinterpreted your post, my bad. But I feel like this was not the way you should handle things like this because you the customer are getting royally f***ed. You are out 950 bucks and you are injuring yourself holding the BIG child 3 hours and possibly endangering the child's life. I also am very surprised the passenger who was seated next to the mom didn't offer to leave. I know we all have to get home, but ... clearly the passenger heard how he got the seat; there's a 2.5 year old kid squirming in the seat next to you for 3 hours. I mean, give up your seat to the kid and get off the plane. I thought United made it clear it was changing its policy to have the flight staff be able to solve situations like this using common sense. How could an entire flight crew and pilots think this was the correct outcome? How the hell did they get the kid under the seat belt on mom's lap? I thought we all had to be strapped in properly before the flight took off. I can't imagine one seat belt making it over the lap of a kid and a mom. That's my take. That United gets a Fat F and should lose in court over this one. Mega damages.