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QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 06:21 PM) Anyone you get for Swarzak is probably a long shot to be an MLB regular. But that is better than nothing, which is what you get if you don't move him. That is really all there is to it. OK. I guess he projects to earn decent to good money in free agency since that appears to be what you are saying. The Sox can't just keep him for scraps I guess.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 08:40 PM) I already called him out for this. If that ain't trolling, then god help us all... All I'm saying is his numbers project well as a catcher, really no where else at this time. He also has a good arm. Do you guys deny all these observations? If he keeps this progression up, he'll be a tad worse than Lexi's career, which I guess is still OK. Lexi was reliable. If Moncada and Anderson are as bad defensively as they appear to be, the Sox could be weak up the middle defensively when they have an MLB big-league roster again.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 07:14 PM) Getting somebody that has the chance of being something on your next competitive team is better than holding onto guys that are impending FAs and will 100% return NOTHING. Pretty simple stuff. My question to you is: Do you really believe these players we mention have a chance of being something on your next competitive team? Is a guy like this going to earn squat in free agency anyway? I guess deep down the goal is to lose so many games there's no doubt who gets the No. 1 overall pick cause you guys certainly want to get rid of anybody with a pulse. It will be funny watching Nate Jones close next season. I can buy your premise if the guys we get for Swarzak have a chance to help a contending team someday but I severely doubt that.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 06:27 PM) I say good for Tyler Flowers. There's guys who haven't panned out elsewhere who have done so with the Sox, and vice versa. Hopefully for his sake he'll get a decent contract and make some nice $ for when he's done playing. I agree. He's already done a lot more than most ballplayers, assured himself a great pension and likely a spot on a big league club for a few more years. Good for him. He's way better than the hacks who have replaced him the last few seasons.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 06:03 PM) THEY. ARE. REBUILDING. But if guys have no trade value do you really need 2 scrubs of return to dump in A ball somewhere and release in 2 years? The Sox have two tradeable assets in Robertson and Q and that's it. The rest will bring scrubs who mean nothing to a rebuild. You guys perplex me.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 06:41 PM) He's just a harder guy to make trade talk fun over compared to others because there is probably a 95% chance I'll have never heard of his return. He'll get something, either a reclamation project or a projectable player with high uncertainty, and those trades can sometimes strike gold. But to be entertained by trade talk with him is mostly just scanning random teams top 12-20 players for a trait you like. Why trade guys who have no trade value? Bodies? Sox need a couple closer candidates this year and next or they'll win even fewer than Hawk's coveted 60 games. Nate Jones is NO CLOSER. I don't think the draftniks want the sox to lose 115 games but maybe they do.

I think personally it's time for an official warning. We tell China, Russia, North Korea and South Korea that if there is one more missile test, we will be dropping 3 bombs on North Korea, hopefully where Kim Jon Un is residing. We tell S. Korea to take the necessary precautions. We tell Americans in South Korea it might be wise to get the hell out of there. We cannot risk this any more. The last bomb can reach U.S. soil. We have not developed technology apparently to blow up the bomb in the sky. What else can we do? War sucks but if China and Russia won't get him to stop this nuclear bulls***, we have to try to take out the North Korean president. Otherwise he will lob a nuke at Alaska and eventually our mainland. Do you agree?? They are leaving us with no options.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 05:28 AM) 1-5 against oakland... a good thing i guess... It's great if you want your team to be considered the laughing stock of baseball, the biggest joke of a franchise in the AL. San Diego is worse in the NL.

Rabbit's posts don't bother me. I can't think of any that have angered me. The White Sox anger me. The posters don't.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 07:41 PM) Nope. Are you as worried about the 15 other major cities that are more violent or nah>? Chicago better get a better PR department if it's actually one of the safer cities. Because Chicago is the city that is getting the mention as THE most violent city. Trump just sent in 100 experts or something like that to help cure the problem.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 04:18 AM) Is that still you? Has someone hijacked your account? A bot? I always praise their work. I was just as negative as ever in the post IMO.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 03:36 AM) Very likely it won't be anyone near top 10 Exactly. If you were fan of a buyer, would you accept your team acquiring Melky Cabrera? There's absolutely no reason to acquire him. He'll kill a contender defensively and he's an average hitter. He's not exactly fast either.

Phenomenal article. It does make me feel a little better about that horrific start. But the article and the video inside the article were masterful. Hopefully he'll be a good pitcher and Rodon will be as good as he was last start. The sooner we can get rid of Shields, Holland and Pelfrey the better.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:28 PM) Eh they're just not good. Does lately include the 2 recent walk offs ? They're playing the same way they have all year. Bad starting pitching and always playiing catch up is difficult. Really bad baseball team. The starting rotation itself is why we're guaranteed last place. The lineup as well. If not for all the bombs (thanks baseball for juicing the ball and good job uppercutting Davidson, Abreu, Melky, Avi, et all) we'd be assured 110 losses. The lineup has been powerful enough to prevent an historically bad season. It's still gonna be very bad though. I can't believe a team can trot Holland, Pelphrey and Shields out there regularly and not lose 110 games.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 07:32 PM) I remember when Sox fans used to say that a playoff appearance was enough. Then it became a World title would be enough. Now they have to win every single year. Knowing this fan base, they would turn into the Atlanta Braves who didn't even sell out playoff games. I think Sox fans would be like Blackhawks fans. Very excited, very very excited to win it all and have three parades in a short period of time. Then be extremely disappointed but understanding after an early exit like this season. Nobody calling for coach's head or blasting anybody incessantly for the first-round loss. I think if we won all those titles we'd be good fans like Blackhawks fans. The Sox current problem is so many lousy years following the 05 title. I mean the 05 title was something everybody still appreciates, but at the same time, the team imploded so quickly and currently is so bad it's difficult to be a good fan. This team is only 7.5 games out. It wouldn't have taken much to contend. But the front office has been so bad they decided to do a slow rebuild at a bad time. Again, it's so easy to contend nowadays and this organization is so far from contention it's sickening. Cheers to 05. Yes. But fans have the right to be despondent at what happened since then.

So 100 people shot over the long 4th of July weekend in Chicago; 15 are dead. Rather than go on a rant about this (I think you all know I am capable of such a rant right now with five or more paragraphs freaking out about this), I would like to ask YOUR reaction. I am sad, first of all, and appalled, second of all and will spare you my angry rant. But cmon. This is ridiculous stuff. Cops say much of it was gang related. I don't like it; the country and world, really, think of Chicago as a horrible warzone. If you want my rant I'll come up with one, but please, what can be done about this??? Is Chicago truly done as a great city because of this bulls***? Are the gangs escalating to the point they will be running all parts of the city before long? Prayers for the deceased and their families. Shaking my head at the horror of 4th of July weekend in the great city of Chicago.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 05:36 AM) Jerry would die by rage if the Sox handed the Cubs a world series. The Cubs already won one. That was the unthinkable. it doesn't matter how many they win now. Q would help them IMO get their act together. they are going to win that division. Q would be the spark they need and they could give us 3-4 GREAT prospects that help us. We give them a division title and likely repeat WS and they re-boost our team's future.

If marist and mcauley are safe, what about Bro Rice? Is it safe?

With Avi under .320 and looking like the old Avi, I bet you Hahn would trade him. The question is who wants him? Who trusts that Avi has turned a corner?

I don't really care about the upcoming 2 trades but I will say this. Robertson and Q are the keys to two teams' seasons. If the Royals acquired Robertson, they would win the WS again. Royals move their current closer to the 8th and Robertson the ninth and cover the seventh with whomever. Cubs win the WS with Q. He's a perfect fit. he'd stay in Chicago, be comfy and be perfect for that club. Neither will happen, but just saying. If we truly want to fleece somebody and get some prospects I'd trade Q to the Cubs for 4 prospects and Robertson to the ROyals for Bubba Starling and 2-3 others. Maybe Mondesi.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 04:16 AM) White Sox traded away prospect = Super Prospect White Sox acquired prospect = bust, failure, and panic. Why do you guys support this front office this much? This is about Shields and how bad he is. You trust the rebuild to guys who think Shields was a smart investment?

Just DFA Shields for gosh sakes. He's done.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 07:09 PM) This is fully and 100% wrong. Why would anybody want Melky or Frazier? Seriously. The relievers everybody's high on will not bring back much. Relievers who are not closers don't bring back much. Who is the Sox projected closer anyway once we deal David? We have to keep somebody so we'll keep Swarzik and Kahnle since they won't bring back anything of note. I don't think Jerry has bought into the losing every game thing has he?

Happy Fourth of July! Be careful with your fireworks tonight, very careful. One miscalculation could send you to the hospital. Have fun but be careful! Drink beer but if you MUST drink outside your own home, plan on Uber. One miscalculation otherwise could cause a tragedy and/or get you a DUI which in this day and age would probably ruin your life (fired at work, no car for a year). I was wondering today if this was the most unpatriotic 4th of July in a long time. Korea stuffed another missile test in our face on the eve of the holiday. Surprised they didn't wait til the 4th to do it. Russia and China want us and the Koreas to sign some de-escalation thing. There are reports the Korean missile now can reach US soil meaning you just know Trump is ready to over-react or react forcibly. Do you think today's holiday is a very sad day considering the state of our Trump hatred and the volatile situation regarding the USA and N. Korea, China and Russia? I will say, cherish Joey Chestnut today and have some fun, but has this holiday jumped the shark or temporarily been jaded because of current political climate/international conditions? The fact the two parties have never hated each other more and the fact Trump is a tweeting embarassment? HAPPY 4th!! Drink beer, wine and go watch fireworks tonight! But drive Uber and take care of your family members who need Uber.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 08:38 AM) I think I figured it out tonight. Renteria simply wants all the young players to buy into the concept of sacrificing for each other...always trying to advance the runner (Did you do your job or not?) and moving the line one batter at a time. Could be a one run lead, or 3-5 runs like tonight. Team over individual results, camaraderie, chemistry, etc. They seem to be buying into Steverson's approach now as well, they're working together instead of going up to the plate without a plan of what they're trying to accomplish like for much of the Ventura regime. Realistically, this team should be 2 games under .500, but we've been killed by our defense and all those unearned runs and mostly plays not made (double plays not finished, for example.) Going forward, that's the biggest concern organizationally (along with OBP and starting pitching development), and removing Melky Cabrera from the roster will be a first big step in the right direction. In my idea, it feels like we're trying to create a hybrid of the Cubs, Indians and Royals. Future elite pen. Check. Speed and athleticism. Check. Moncada, Robert, Adolfo, Engel, Tim Anderson, Leury, Yolmer Sanchez, Willy Garcia, Saladino, Hanson. OBP/contact...addressed last two drafts, hopefully. Defense, ummmm....not yet. Versatility...the examples are guys like Jose Ramirez, Josh Harrison, Zobrist, Baez, Whit Merrifield. The Sox players above have many of these qualities already, particularly Leury, but Moncada and Anderson should as well. (Of course, in this lively ball era, you also can't afford to carry a guy like Tilson who has no power playing 81 home games at Guaranteed Rate.) In the end, I don't think we're as far off as some here. This is a .500 team in 2018, quite easily. Get the best possible draft pick for 2018, but don't go out of the way to hold players back if they're truly ready. If for no other reason than Detroit and KC being terrible next year, and that representing nearly 40% of the schedule. They might need an anchor for their defense during this transition period. Unsurprisingly, I would pick Dyson (cheaper version) or Cain on three year deals and change the team's mindset by having an elite defender with World Series experience in CF. At any rate, by this October 1st they'll know a lot more about what they have in Engel and Leury. Maybe they logically then decide those guys are good enough to be part of the long-term plan and no further move is needed. Somehow, they also need to convince Abreu or Avi to DH. That potentially gives Asche and Delmonico a shot at first. Maybe Avi's traded? Then they eventually need to find an elite defender at catcher to back up Collins 2-3 years from now...trade deadline, someone like Severino with the Nats. Offense isn't as critical if Collins realizes his potential. 2018 LF Engel/W.Garcia/Asche CF Leury Garcia/Engel RF Willy Garcia/Asche/Hanson 3B Davidson/Y. Sanchez SS Anderson/L.Garcia 2B Moncada/Yolmer/Hanson 1B Avi Garcia/Davidson DH Abreu This would block Delmonico and Saladino, but dramatically improve the overall defense...perhaps Saladino stays and Hanson goes? You'd have three CFers in the outfield (well, Willy's pushing it). Avi's a lot more athletic than Abreu, but obviously that idea might not work. Certainly a good sized target over there, though. Caulfield I am very surprised you think a team without Q could possibly sniff .500 next year. The rotation promises to be one of the worst in Sox history and without Robertson there will be a new, likely unreliable closer. As well as defense. You just skipped over the pathetic defense. Finally in terms of your lineup, the infield defense will be one of the worst in team history of the players you listed. Also the verdict is still out on Anderson at a key position, ss. If Moncada is a sieve we are extremely weak up the middle. Your outfield is laugably bad, again one of the worstin team history with Willy, Leury and Engel. .500? What are u thinking today on the 4th? In summation, horrible rotation, horrible defense, incredibly soft hitting outfield. I'd say worse team in baseball by far unless somehow Moncada, Avi, Abreu and Anderson are all all-star hitters. Even then the pitching would doom your team to a horrific record. QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 02:59 PM) I think you're reading too much into it. He calls for bunts because he thinks that's the best way of scoring runs. He is wrong and it is something that needs to be corrected for when this team is in contention. I loved your long post but I would agree with Magee. It does appear Renteria is trying to win games and he thinks these bunts help score pivotal runs. I agree with Feeky he's wrong. Your theory doesn't seem Renteria-like as some big picture thing.