WhiteSox2023

Compare the quotes about Yamamoto saying he would’ve signed with the Dodgers even if they hadn’t signed Ohtani because they want to win now and in the future, to our moronic owner who declared this all the way back on August 31st, even when he had no reason to… “We're not going to be in any (Shohei) Ohtani race, I'll tell you that.”

The majority of Sox fans (both everyday and the hardcore variety) realize what a joke Grifol is as a manager. You think the players don’t see this as well? Mr. Culture wasn’t successful on any of his promises. No one respects the guy. But that’s just one part of it. Good players and winning also breeds a better environment, but the Sox don’t have any of these attributes.

It’s a new season and a team acquiring Cease knows that their team isn’t as big of a $h17show environment as the Sox were/are. These teams probably also realize that if Tim Anderson didn’t epically suck on both sides of the ball cuz he was too busy cheating on his wife, Cease’s numbers could’ve been better.

Pick your jaw up off the floor then and stop acting clueless. It happens in sports of all levels and even in job professions. Not sure how a Sox fan who has likely lived through Ozzie quitting on the team, Sox players quitting on LaRussa, and Sox players quitting on Grifol is acting ignorant to this. Who are you kidding?

Or is it a pitcher who has stopped caring, just like the rest of his team, due to being out of competition for the division and having a loser for a manager? Yes, it’s not an admirable trait to give up, but the entire Sox team did the same. You can’t guarantee that if Cease was on a contending team, he would have simply pitched the exact same way as he did with the Sox.

They didn’t count for the White Sox, lol. Not sure how you can possibly make the assumption that Cease puts up the same numbers with the Orioles as he did with our piece of s%*# non-contending team. Amazing…

Exactly what I was going to say. Also, the rejuvenated excitement for pitching for a contender, not a 100 loss team.

I was talking about acquiring Flaherty, not Cease. But if you think Flaherty is a better acquisition than Cease, more power to you.

I think the risk of injury and getting jack squat for Cease far outweighs seeing if he can regain his 2022 form and trading him at the deadline.

Flaherty with the stellar 6.75 ERA as an Oriole. Oops. I guess Elias can make some stupid moves…

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. What do you think about @Y2Jimmy’s proposal above?

Okay, would you like him for cash considerations then? As in, you take Sheets and the Sox also include money?

Maybe Getz can sweeten the pot and get a deal done by including our currently projected starting RF and Baltimore hometown hero, Gavin Sheets!

I’d rather take a single third prospect back that was rated a bit higher than third and fourth pieces. But that is just due to history and looking back at the Eaton, Sale, and Quintana trades.

I think this is reasonable, because there is some redundancy in the players and prospects the Orioles have and the prospects they would be giving up for Cease.

If the Sox had another player worth a damn in a trade, like if Eloy was coming off of a big offensive season, I could see this being more likely.

Exactly. Say hello to Moncada, Kopech, and Eloy.

Why not? Because every young Orioles starter and/or pitching prospect will hit? Good luck with that. It’s just not realistic for any team.

The latest rumor is that the Brewers will keep Burnes. https://theathletic.com/5154981/2023/12/21/brewers-corbin-burnes-braves-trades-the-windup/?source=emp_shared_article Even if the Brewers do trade Burnes, he is a free agent after 2024. Good luck resigning him on the open market, Orioles. No chance in hell. Luzardo has 3 years of control left so if you are aghast at the prospect price Sox fans are discussing for Cease, good luck with Luzardo.

I have no clue what names have truly been discussed and neither do you. Period.

Here’s a question — what good rotation starter with ace potential can the Orioles sign or trade for right now that they can actually afford with their payroll?

I don’t understand these comments. You can say Sox fans are expecting far too much, and that may be true, but you are also making claims as if you are the Orioles GM and know exactly what offer Elias would accept. Neither side truly knows.

I assume you are referring to the first Soto trade from the Nationals to the Padres? Soto only had 2 years of control at the time. Robert has 4 years of control. Big difference.

That’s not going to be pretty.

Relief pitchers are apparently next on the task list. Position players, nah… the Sox offense looks great. The running theme is that they sign what’s cheap.