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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:29 PM) Are you crazy?? Rowand is not the 3rd best defensive CF in the league. I'd take Griffey, Beltran, Jones, Wells, Hunter, Kotsay, Edmonds, Jeremy Reed, and Mike Cameron before I sniff Rowand. And that's just guys at CF. Cameron is the one guy I forgot. He's the one player that may go ahead along with Torri and Andruw. And your wrong on the others. Griffey ain't even close, Beltran is solid (way over-rated though), Wells is meh, Kotsay/Edmonds/Reed are all very similar to Rowand (I'd put Reed a class below right now).

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:32 PM) Which is the point. We already know what Burnett is. Plus he still has room for improvement. I would trade Gio right away too, but BMac is in demand so I say out with his ass. I'm trying to win a WS and Burnett betters my chances of that happening. No, your telling me that Gio is better than Bmac right now. Thats completely wrong. Gio has been pitching very well, but he has a heck of a lot more weaknesses than Brandon (part of it is deservingly so, less experience, etc). However Brandon is a very very poised young pitcher who flat out has dominated every level he's been in. Now he has struggled in Charlotte this year, but there are reasons to that and he's getting into a groove these past couple starts. He's still k'ing guys left and right and quite frankly he was rushed into Charlotte. Turns out that his awesome spring training was actually bad for him because instead of going back to Bham (which he could of used) he went straight to Charlotte (so he has had to learn on the fly in a sense). He'll pitch his ass off down the stretch...mark my words. And he has a plus changeup too, people are starting to say its better than his curve. The Sox just haven't used it much this year for some reason.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) Perhaps Eyre comes with Omar while Marte and BMac go for Burnett/Wagner... Thats entirely possible. I do think that Kenny is looking to potentially upgrade offensively. You also know that Kenny is being careful about who he's targeting. He's being very open with Ozzie and is asking Ozzie's opinion on guys cause they know they don't want to mess with the club too much (it would be assinine to blow apart the team with the best record in baseball...ie giving up a bunch of major leaguers in trades). Omar can slide in, with Willie getting demoted or moved somewhere else. Juan goes to the bench. The move makes sense. You lose no key contributors and get a guy that the Sox are very familiar with (both Kenny and Ozzie) and a guy that would be very happy playing in Chicago. He is a good defensive player (fits a need cause I refuse to make any deals that downgrade the club defensively), he's a good small ball player, and he's a major upgrade than the player thats currently starting there. Billy Wagner replacing Marte (would Marte and a prospect interest the Phills) it may just. It seems it would take Burnett, but who knows. Regardless I could see Marte going because Ozzie appears very frustrated by his lack of consistency and strikes. Sox are gonna add a starter or reliever and potentially an infielder. Aside from that I don't see anything (No outfielders or DH's or 1st baseman). If they deal Marte in a trade for a starter, than you'll see 3 new players...a starter, a reliever, and maybe an infielder.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:24 PM) Everyone loves Gio for god knows whatever reason. Don't get me wrong, he's a solid prospect, but he can only hope to be the kind of prospect Brandon is. People see Gio's sweet curve in that draft video and great numbers in Kanny and they think he's the new hotness. Hello! Brandon was better in Winston-Salem than Gio was in Kanny. Brandon led all of the minor in strikeouts and had unreal control and people are saying Gio is the better stuff pitcher and attacks the zone more. Sorry, this was an off topic post but people need to lay the f*** off Brandon. Any minor league expert would tell you Brandon wasn't ready when he was called up. The Sox didn't have anything better after the 2004 debacle.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:21 PM) Gio has more pitches. Gio's pitches dance more than BMac. Bmac has a suspect change. Gio is left-handed. You could take BMac and I'll take Gio and I'd be willing to bet my team wins. I hate being blunt, but Gio isn't better. Brandon is a special pitcher. He hammers the zone, has great control, and throws a plus curveball and changeup. He hasn't thrown the changeup much this year, but last I looked he's not the one calling the pitches and rookie pitchers aren't entitled to shake off pitches (its shunned upon in baseball). Gio has a great curveball, everything else is mediocre. He also throws a FB and changeup. The changeup is a solid pitch. But he is nowhere near where Bmac is. Thankfully Kenny seems to understand Brandon is a special kid.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) If Billy Wagner proves to be the difference maker in the WS you can bet your last dollar he will NOT be a rent-a-player for the WSox. He will be here to stay. This move can not only solidify the pen for this year's run, but with the most important position players expected back in 2006 it sets us up to win it next year as well. That's the kind of move you overpay for & make no mistake about it BMac + Marte is overpaying. But that's the way it works this time of the year. You acquire Wagner not only to help yourself but to play keep away from others. I don't care how electric Burnett's stuff is. If he's proven to be wild & inconsistent after over 100 starts under his belt there isn't much hope for improvement. If the Sox win the WS, money won't be a factor. They will keep anyone they feel will make this team likely to repeat the following year. Hell, if they go deep, they will spend a whole lot of coin. Only guys I see as potentially being gone are Thomas/Everett/Konerko. Unless Thomas comes on really strong later this year he's gone as is Everett. Konerko is interesting. However, if the Sox lose them, they will spend money to fill these spots, imo.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) So you're saying he's a druggy? No, it was an OTC supplement of some sort.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:21 PM) Would you be willing to give BMac + another prospect or BMac + Marte for Vizquel? No.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:19 PM) Maybe I'm just not understanding the original post, but he said that Vizquel is gonna be traded to the White Sox? Or that he is just on the block and the Sox are interested? Nothing official or anything. Simply said he has heard that Vizquel may end up in Chicago. Thats big to me because for the most part its been indicated that Omar isn't on the trade block. All I'm saying is that I'm excited as hell that I hear his name come up as potentially available cause he makes so much sense. I can't speak enough about how big of a pickup this would be. People can talk about his contract being a little long, but he's still producing now and whose to say he won't for the remainder. Regardless, there are plenty of worse contracts out there, and well frankl, I don't care about him being over the hill the last year of his deal, cause he's the type of guy that makes the Sox a more likely WS candidate and thats what its all about. Gio/Valido for Omar and I'll do it. I'd be more thrilled if it took less, but I'll give up some of the best prospects in the org for him.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) Who's valido? The clubs top SS prospect. He's playing in High A Ball Winston Salem. Very good defensively, doesn't project to hit for tons of power, but is a very smart/headsy player and is looking like he may project into a decent avg guy. Could turn into a leadoff/2 hole hitter. Major league ready defensively.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) Vernon Wells? Beltran? Not even close defensively. Beltran is pretty good, but not as good as Rowand. Vernon has the tools, but is lazy defensively. Rowand is that good, no joke. He gets as good of jumps as anyone in baseball and flat saves runs. He ocassionally will throw the ball to the wrong guy (ever OFer does) but he's flat out great out there.

When it comes to Reynolds, I'll admit, sometimes he says some dumb things. But I know when you talk sports everyone says dumb stuff. Lord knows I've been wrong on many ocassions on this site. Thats part of being an analyst. He's far from great, but at the same time they have a bias towards the Yanks and BoSox. Trust me, if the White Sox were making the playoffs year in/year out or defending world series champs, we'd see that bias too. Its like how we would always write off the Twins thinking the Sox were the better team. Turns out the Twins were really good and proven. Anyway just get Omar...I want him so badly. He makes this team so so much better.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:13 PM) I'd have no problem seeing Vizquel come over to the Sox. That's a move I see making a lot of sense. I'm not too excited about the Burnett deal. SS would be a great place for the Sox to upgrade. The pen wouldn't be a bad place either. Put it this way...out of everyone in baseball, if I were GM, Vizquel is the one guy I'd over pay for. I'm talking about Valido and Gio for s*** sakes. He makes the every day lineup so much better and the move doubles by giving the Sox more depth at 3rd base, which is something they need. In a sense, acquiring Vizquel is almost like acquiring to players. You acquire a starting shortstop (Omar) and you acquire an ultimate utility guy (Uribe being allowed to move to this role). Plus he fits right into the style Ozzie wants and I think he'll mesh in great with the clubhouse. The next guy I'd overpay for is Brad Lidge (cause you'd have him for a while). I'd be giggling like a little girl if the Sox get Omar.

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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) Our favorite baseball analyst Harold Reynolds said he heard the Sox are looking at Vizquel. I just posted something on that. He also had some nice things to say about the Sox splitting against the BoSawk. I actually think he was pretty right on. It doesn't matter to the BoSox as much as it does to Chicago. The Red Sox have won it all, they have that winning attitude and have been through the postseason, for the White Sox it matters more. They split the series but would of won the series had they played any defense in Buehrle's start. At the very least that tells you, that you can play with the defending champs.

He specifically said on Baseball Tonight that I heard that Omar Vizquel may be coming over to swing that bat and play some defense at short. Also said Billy Wagner on the block and than Ravech mentioned Burnett. Anyway this is the first Vizquel refernce I've heard in a long time. Let me just say, offensively this is the one move that makes TOTAL sense. I'll give up Valido and than some, I don't care. Vizquel makes this team so much better. We all saw Tadahito today in sitautions where he was allowed to swing away and he did well. Move him down in the lineup and he'll produce more runs and Omar is a better 2 hole hitter anyway. This move flat out makes sense. I don't care what it costs as long as Chris Young and Bmac aren't a part of the deal. Get Vizquel, Get Wagner and I couldn't be happier.

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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 02:51 PM) Griffey could be had for a guy as small as Timo depending on how much the White Sox are willing to pick up. And whoever said Griffey is not as good as Rowand defensively is on something. He's still better than Rowand and is better than 90% of CF in the league defensively still. Offensively, Griffey would rake at the Cell. I would love to get him, but I'm starting to think that KW and Ozzie are overrating this "chemistry" thing. I know it's a factor, but replacing a guy like PK with Griffey would only help chemistry IMO. Only 2 cf's are better than Rowand. Andruw Jones and Torri Hunter. You can make a case for Edmonds and Kotsay being on the same page as Rowand. Aside from that, there aren't any that are better than Rowand.

Flat out....BMAC >>> GIO There is a reason when teams call the Sox they are asking for Bmac. I'm sick of all these people who think they have a clue how to evaluate talent and are ready to write off guys that are highly talented simply because they were rushed up to the majors and struggled. I'll trade Gio, I'd be really hard pressed to trade Brandon and I'd like to think I have a very thorough understanding of the Sox system.

Its like 100 here and actually pretty humid thanks to the tropical storm down in Mexico (or I think thats where it is).

ITs nice splitting the best team in baseball

Hermy

Jose with a nice game and the offense came through.

Come on Sox...finish this one off despite the pens ability to walk guys.

The parts of the game I saw, Burnett was downright filthy.