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Vizquel would be the best acquisition possible, imo. Well Wagner could be at that stage and Burnett could as well, but Omar wow. Still Giants are in the thick of acquiring Soriano, that tells me they are going for it. Omar isn't going anywhere.

Good move by both teams.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 08:28 AM) Nope. It has only been a couple of years since Cleveland non-tendered him. Ortiz was non tendered a few years back too.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 12:57 AM) And why is this....just a hunch? I got a feeling. Remember though, I had that same feeling about RJ. Brian Anderson will be a Dray by the end of the trade deadline. Can't figure out who else will be gone. Willie will also likely be a part of the deal. Then there will be 2 more big names in it (maybe one a prospect and the other a reliever like Marte or Viz).

Book it....i'm convinced the Sox are going to acquire Huff and Baez.

I'd deal Fields for Guardado in a heartbeat (the 3rd baseman), but the Mariners won't want him.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 07:04 AM) ok what is it that they care abotu??? MONEY. we both agree on that. how do you maximize your money?? spend the least and get the most production out of your players. if you went to lamarr and said hey chuck, you can win 60 games, or you can win 70 games by spending teh same amount of money. what do you think hes gonna do. maximize the productivity with keepiung money the same. anyone who has had any sort of econ class would understand this edit: an econ class isnt even needed...its not a difficult concept I think you need to understand, the Drays owner makes about as much money as any MLB owner (off of the Drays). He has a minimum payroll, minimum expenses, and gets huge checks in the form of Revenue Sharing from the bigger clubs. He's totally set right now, whether fans come or not, he could give a crap to be perfectly honest. Sure he'd like more to come, but he's not gonna dump in a bunch of money and turn his team into a losing organization. He's a horrid owner, but he makes money.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 06:40 AM) BAJ HAS ZERO TRADE VALUE!!!!!!!! Soxtalk poster or not. Charlotte closer or not. I mean, yes, the guy can probably net something via trade at the prospect level, but when people start throwing his name around as the centerpiece of a MLB level trade I simply laugh. It's just not fathomable. There's a reason the guy still is where he is, and don't tell me because we have a deep depth chart in the BP. Last I looked, we're having some troubles... i.e. Vizcaino He could go with a guy like Vizcaino and get the Sox a quality left handed reliever, imo. However, anything more than packaging him and someone else for a quality reliever would be far fetched (and I'm not talking about an amazing reliever...maybe a guy like Scott Eyre, but even that would be in some doubt).

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 06:02 AM) In looking at the DRays minor league guys, they only have one guy with more than 4 saves higher than low A--30 yr old Lee Gardner with 11 in AAA. A guy like Jenks would have to be attractive in a deal. I really think Kenny would have to get swept off his feet to get up a guy like Bobby Jenks. I don't know how else to say it, but of the entire organization I think as of this moment the two guys closest to untouchable are Bobby Jenks (he's gonna be cheap for the Sox and is already looking pretty good...with the ability to turn dominate) and Chris Young. The next on that list would be Brandon McCarthy, however for a pitcher that will be here the next few years, I'd part ways. Anderson, Sweeney, Gio, Tracey and the rest are the group of guys I think your most likely to see dealt from the system. Plus you have the likes of Willie Harris, Jose Contreras, El Duque, Luis Vizcaino, Juan Uribe (if the Sox get a SS in return), and Damaso Marte all potentially avaiable on the major league side of things.

The way it sounds, I think the Sox are working on a lot of deals that could all go down, or just one of them could down. Sounds like Kenny is busy and for the most part it seems like he's interested in all of these guys, not this guy or that guy. He's gonna be agressive. If an opportunity opens up that he likes, he'll take it.

If you email any of us mods or admins we'll pass it on to everyone else. We'll look into the group thing. That would be a nice option to allow someone to collectively email the entire moderating team. But Los, just shoot any of us a PM.

He's supposed to be back almost any time now.

Let it also be known that I still want to keep Brandon around. He could be a very nice 5th starter for the club next year as he develops into a middle of the rotation to front of the rotation starter. I'm liking the idea of Burnett, but I still have my doubts as to whether I'd be willing to part with Bmac. I just don't know how much better the club is with him. I would feel a lot more comfortable if Burnett was here for the next few years.

QUOTE(JoeH33 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) From Bob Nightengale of the USA Today: The Twins, down on first baseman Justin Morneau, were in negotiations with the Brewers for first baseman Lyle Overbay Looks like there may be some competition for Lyle from the Twins. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/bbw/columni...ghtengale_x.htm Wow thats interesting. Makes sense for the Twins though cause Overbay will be affordable for a little while longer. Only thing that stinks is they wouldn't have any use for a guy like Morneau (He's been banged up this year, but he's gonna be a big time 1b/DH).

If they gave us Gordon and the Sox picked up Burnett or another starter (similar to him) without giving up Contreras. I'd make the deal in a heartbeat.

There on the FS server. Let me look tonight when I get home from work and I'll post you the links.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 08:31 PM) Preach on brotha! It's all about Josh Fields, who also had a big day today. What about Big Frank???

QUOTE(cragi @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 09:29 PM) I agree. I was saying fans of both teams could think that way. Prior to the deal, (the always cash-conscious) Brewer fans were thinking..'oh great we just signed a big deal to career .250 hitter (Pods) that had one big year and now has sunk back to reality. Also, we have nobody that can knock in runs..now what?' The Lee deal seemed way too good to be true...and I know you have similar reasoning for thinking the opposite. For the Sox the big key's were what Pods has done, but also how they were able to free up payroll to add Duque (whose not been great, but has been superior to any other 5th starter the Sox had in years) and Pyrzinski (who has been huge to this club). Its one of those deals that really worked out for both teams and I couldn't be happier. As far as Overbay goes, I'd love him on the Southside, but personally speaking, I wouldn't give up major league talent to get him (i'd more than gladly part of a package involving top prospects though).

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 06:58 AM) The 'peak value' theory shouldn't be conidered this year. You dance with the one(s) that brung ya. I agree. It mainly works in the off-season or when your a seller, not when a team is in contention. I go with right the hot hand through the playoffs and Politte has been hot all year.

I'd give up an arm and a leg for him.

This will be interesting. Personally I wouldn't deal Politte. However, you could make a case of the Sox dealing him while his value is at peak. Plus Its usually a lot easier/cheaper to pick up a good righty reliever than a lefty via the trade market. Kenny isn't going to deal any of his relievers without bringing in a good replacement, imo. I also highly doubt he'd deal Politte, unless he's getting Mota plus Burnett. Basically put if the Sox put Politte in the deal as opposed to Marte, the Fish give a little extra. The question is would the team be better with Politte and Walker (if that be the case) or would it be better with Mota and Marte in the pen. Either way it would be AJ in the rotation and of course one of the starters (if they aren't dealt) could slide into the pen as well.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 06:25 PM) AHA! So you are Stephen A. Smith. If I were Stephan A Smith...I'd do us all a favor and cut out my voice box. I can't stand the guy

Wow, sorry to hear that Alex. It hurts when you loose a pet.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 11:59 AM) I watch it for one reason....Her name is Kristen. Not as good in person.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) If you get Overbay and Frank returns then what? You will have two of PK, Frank, Overbay, and Everett sitting each game, right? I don't worry about Frank. He's not that good and quite frankly, a move for Overbay would spell the end for the Big Man (something I'm rooting for because quite frankly it makes zero sense to give him that type of money).