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Maybe so, isn’t this on along the same lines as those trades? Aren’t most/all Getz trades (except Crochet) kind of similar? Those tampa trades, low stakes as there were, stand out to me as Getz at peak naivete, just accepting soon-to-be org guys. I still get the sense that he evaluates a lot of our return based on what the other GMs tell him. Listen to him go on about how the Mets hated losing Acuna. Getz seems awfully trusting of these GMs who are trying to rip him off.

I realize that - @fathom lists the players that he thinks Sox will add; I'm listing the ones that I hope the Sox will add. I agree his list is more likely.

I hope not. Those would be a signings just to sign. Overall, they would likely make things worse. Do a deal with Gonsolin; give him some $$ this year and some club options for next 2. Or sign one or both of Verlander and Scherzer to a 1/$20, with the promise that we’ll trade them to a contender in July.

the Sox have jammed themselves up with so many questionable players who are at the point in their career for which the Sox have a “use ‘em or lose ‘em” decision that any positional free agent would crowd out necessary auditions…particularly of infielders playing outfield. Conforto would be ridiculous ; Just sign a good pitcher.

Another infielder….always on the other teams’ terms. Hard to see the urgency to come away with this deal. But let’s see how he spends the $20 million.

I thought that ban-bets were like duels of the old days, when you just shoot into the air. But I guess this one took the Aaron Burr approach.

Gonsolin on the cheap for the rebound.

I don’t see the urgency to trade either Meidroth or Sosa. Neither is fully fleshed out and neither will bring a whole lot in return. Sure if we can find a similarly situated OF, parcularly CF; but more likely, this is when thev start dumping young players for middle relievers and other assorted dullards. Same thing with our catchers, unless someone offers something interesting for Lee. I think some OF work for Sosa would be wise.

Didn't become a starter until Johnny Sain moved him to the rotation in 1971 at the age of 29....11.7 bWAR for his efforts. 10.7 in 1972. But a liner to the knee effectively ended his career and HOF chances (although he should have had some HOF mention). Great Sox! May he rest in peace.

As waiver claims, sure. Miller, in particular, has been really bad the past 2 seasons. Dodgers can’t possibly expect anything more than some org. guys for either.

Key word. And we’re not just asking for a team just to pay salary, but to also dispatch some quality young talent in return. Get teams like Reds, Pirates, Mariners interested, or we’ll be down to a choice of whether to take or leave Mets’ utility players.

Well his fWar the last 2 seasons was .6 and 1.3. Get his salary down to the value of his actual production and more teams will be interested, such as Reds

I suspect that the Mets are offering spare parts (Vientos, e.g.); after Getz rejects offer, they leak to Heyman that Sox’ demands are unreasonable. Spare parts worked for Rays and the Dodgers so I guess they’ll keep trying. Robert wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near $20 mill w/option in open market. Reds just got some little salary relief, so offer to pay down $10 mill and see if Sox can nab comp pick and whatever else. Draft of the decade is coming up, and more cap $ is especially important given their draft philosophy.

If Schultz, Smith and Taylor (at least 2 of the 3) were ready to dominate as starters, I could see it.

Oh well, I will nitpick Tucker. If you go by FanGraphs, he’s never had a 5-war season. And his defense is a negative, at least per the war factory. . last year, he had the same number of homers as our very own Lenyn Sosa.

If there was one substantive aspect at which Mead was decent, much less excelled, I could see it. But Mead has no power, Ks too much, doesn't walk; and while he's probably a better defender than Sosa, he's still a below par defender. In the minors, his batting average kept him afloat. He just doesn't make enough contact for that to carry to the majors though. Sosa hit 22 homers last season; nothing in Mead's background suggests he can come close to that. If someone wants to give us a nice return for Sosa, then fine; but expecting Mead to do anything is a real prayer. As of now, I like the "have Sosa shag balls in left" idea.

Sure, if you believe those WARs. I’m not paying that kind of money for c. .730 OPS, and what must be elite 2nd base defense (if one believes those WARs). Realistically, I think Meidroth can be a Hoerner level player. I look forward to his 6 WAR.

Probably not; of course, Senga is much better than Castellanos so this might be ambitious too. But I'd do it if the mets would. .

Or, use Castellanos as the $$ equalizer for the Robert trade. Robert and, say, Lee for Castellanos and Crawford and maybe more....? That gives them an upgrade at CF (and the potential for a big one) a serviceable catcher for no additional $.

I assume Acuna's the CF, but is he and can he hit? Mets have the worst CF situation among contenders, if not in baseball. Should be aggressive.

It’s a trade where the pieces “fit”; but it opens a big hole in CF. They can get a mid-pitcher as a FA. the Sox real need to get a young player with long term potential (or a comp pick) for Robert.

Good trade for Sox if Philly is willing. I can’t see a team in the Phillies’ position turning their catching over to Quero: Not a lot of experience and he had a negative fWar.

As do the prospects that the Sox would have to trade to get Shaw. And the way he’s hyped, it would be a heavy cost. Or, would you trade Shane Smith for him? I might if he had that war playing CF.

Meidrotyh with a 1.3...few seem excited and he can play SS.

1.5 fWAR. Considering his sub .700 OPS, and filtering out the hype that accompanied him, the 1.5 is more believable.