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Elko's college numbers, while not at Vaughn's 1200-1300 OPS level, were certainly the equal of early round picks Burger and Sheets. That he Elko was drafted so low suggests that there was something "missing" (bat speed? just guessing). Any idea whether what was missing has been found and whether he's a legit prospect or a AAAA guy?

Hahn had experience on the business side. He didn’t know dick about talent evaluation or other baseball aspects.

On a side note, Maddog went on a 5 minute rant about Reinsdorf on his show at noon on Sirus. Among other things, he wailed on JR for hiring unqualified GMs Hahn and Getz.

That happened because that's the 'top 100" player that the Padres wanted to give up. Getz never makes the other team feel any pain or real sense of loss in a trade. Always on the other teams' terms. Pedro should have been fired last yea after he did nothing but lose with a decent (although flawed) roster and was bitching about the "clubhouse" the whole way. He is a terrible manager so no time is a bad time to dump him. I'm also glad that Getz didn't stop with Grifol and cleared out a lot of the dugout. Big opportunity for Sizemore; he was an intern a year ago, out of baseball for 5 or so seasons before that. Can't say that he's "qualified' for this position, but let's see what he can do.

He did a few good things, but he's really fallen apart with the trades. The best thing he did was signing Fedde: he heeded the advice of Bannister, the one adult he hired. The other team got precisely what it wanted on his trades: the specific player they wanted, 40-man relief or both. Getz, in turn, received what the other team was willing to give him: Vargas, who can't play a position, as a headliner, for example. The Fedde/Kopech/Pham trade was an absolute abomination. As for Pedro, his salary is a whopping $1 mill. JR has dumped much more than that in dead money before. Getz likes Pedro; he thinks he's a good baseball mind.

Just looking at the ESPN charts, the ump seems to have squeezed the hell out of Bush. Didn't give him dick on the corners or at the bottom of the zone.

Brebbia is a real work of art. If the Sox are in a position where they still could win, just bring him into the game and those possibilities quickly vanish.

I don’t see a win until we play the Angels in mid September.

The newspapers should really beat on Reinsdorf about this. And not just the regular sportswriters. It’s disgraceful.

Getz makes this weird comment about how he’s proud of the players they got considering the resources he had. I mean, he traded the highest WAR player. Kopech hadn’t given up an earned running a month. Pham brings something back every trading season. He really got some bad advice, I go back to this Mozeliak thing and I think to myself who in the White Sox org. has a relationship with Mozeliak. There is only one answer and it would explain things… oddly enough, he also has a love of utility infielders.

Getz essentially traded Fedde, the player who’s having the best major-league season of anyone traded at the deadline, and Pham for Tommy Edman. That is unconscionably bad. He let Mozeliak commit grand theft. He then essentially flipped Edman and Kopech for what we got from the Dodgers. That was actually a fair exchange. Of course it was all in one bundle.

Why did Brebbia have the night off? I know he got torn up last night, but why couldn't he pitch tonight? Normal teams pitch relievers back to back all the time. The only players Grifol won't coddle are the rookies. Did we trade for Vargas only to DH him? I know he's not great in the field, but he plays 2 positions. Take a look and see. That could be really valuable. This was the first night so maybe he'll play the field tomorrow. How can TPTB not see how damaging Grifol is?

The two biggest rebuild success stories of the last decade were the Astros and the Orioles. Neither was built through selling off veterans. now the White Sox rebuild, which lasted two years, was maybe 65%-70% via selling veterans. even teams that are good traders, don’t really do it through top 100 players. They just scout better than the other team and they have a system that they can fit players into.

Ellard might eventually be a decent reliever at some point; but he struggled throwing strikes in the minors, and to put him in the 8th is ridiculous. Anderson is the worst pitcher on the staff (which is saying something) but he's Grifol's main man. The Sox just have no chance with this guy making decisions. There's no point in giving Benintendi any at bats. Just let Julks hit (he's had like 10 ABs in July).

I'm afraid to ask who's warming up in the pen. Anderson a high leverage guy now?

it's a F. He blew his big trade. And badly. And he didn't get Crochet traded, which I thought was important. Getting something decent for Banks, who is a good reliever, isn't a noteworthy accomplishment and does not mitigate the damage from the big trade.

Well he never had an ERA above 5 and never a WHIP above 1.4 (and most were below 4.5 and 1.35). His walk rates were consistently low. Yes, he wasn't striking out people, until they moved him to the pen. But once he went to the pen, it was obvious that he wasn't just an org guy. They just waited too long for someone with talent who didn't quite have it to be a major league starter. But at least it finally worked out.

Tanner Banks is a lefty reliever averaging 10Ks per 9. He's never had a bad season, majors or minors. Frankly, underappreciated by most Sox fans. And underappreciated by the prior regime, who waited way too long to bring him up. I'll miss him.

The problem with this trade is that Nicky Lopez is the only IF we have that can play SS, so we're going to have to look at him every effing night. I guess it's happening now, but I was hoping that they would just DFA after 6PM EDT (along with Eloy, Sheets, et al).

Honestly, I don’t know. I know everybody thinks it’s all JR. Maybe they’re right. but nor do I see any evidence that Getz is displeased with him. At the very least, he could micromanage Grifol on some of the stupid thing that he does. But that hasn’t happened.

Maybe this will inspire the Dodgers to offer a boatload for Crochet.

What a stupid a$$hole. Even worse is the GM continuing to employ a stupid a$$hole.

Well, there's very little chance of that. Aside from very few teams willing to trade a top 20 for anyone, we have Chris Getz who lacks the skills to execute such a trade (he let Mozeliak lead him around by the nose). We can keep him, but we're 50 below with him. Hard to see a path to improving the team without trading him.

They still need to trade him, imo, because I believe that the odds that Getz learns a thing or two between now and December, recognizes he effed up the Fedde trade and tries to learn from it and expands his horizons beyond west coast teams, are a lot less than the odds that he and Pedro seriously deteriorate Crochet's value on the field between now and season-end.

Giving Getz the benefit of the doubt, I think he deals with the western teams because he has more knowledge of the prospects via Arizona facility. I really don't think he's pulling names from BA's rankings list. The Dodgers like the Sox players (the good ones); little disappointed that the Dodgers allowed St Louis to ripoff Getz yesterday; should have stepped in and said St Louis needs to send prospects to the Sox. While that is naive, abetting a ripoff is not good business. Too bad Jones has a bad swing. That makes him a no-go, at least as a centerpiece.