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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) Ozzie was our best manager in Sox history ... period. That is debatable. But It's not worth arguing.

QUOTE (T R U @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) I HATE that belt soo much.. it was so stupid to do that in the first place and even dumber to not have changed it to a more traditional looking belt by now.. But Carl... You'd be stuntin!

Patriots.

QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 11:54 PM) Is it just a down year for Derek or the start of the twilight of his career? Well... He's set to get married. That in itself isn't Jeter's forte.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 10:42 PM) Sadly that proves Gregs point more than anything. Guys fall. It happens. You just gave two good examples. Very rarely though do good signable prospect guys fall. It's usually guys who either want over slot money or guys represented by Boras.

That Jeremy Morin kid looks like a heck of a young player. Made a sweet pass to Toews to set him up for a goal. Q praised him (and Leddy) after the game as well.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 09:15 PM) I just don't see why a couple draft slots matter. It matters cause that at least gives the sox flexibility to sign a type A free agent next year without giving up their first round draft pick. I don't even care at the moment which prospect they take when the time comes, but it would definitely help just in case they can't re-sign Konerko (or if you need to trade guys to have less money to sign guys) if you want to get an Adam Dunn for example and have Rizzo and the Nats pick compensation picks instead of your first round pick in a very weak farm system as it is. There is a reason why the sox couldn't particularly get a bat this year cause of the lack of prospects, and the good one(s) they had, they traded for another SP and had no other prospects really (you can't trade Sale yet, and KW balked on Viciedo) to offer teams. Don't get it twisted Greg (as I know you like to do) I'm not rooting for this team to lose, but know there is at least a bright side to this season if they do. Shame really, cause the A's would have been up to the 17th pick and Detroit won again today.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 04:18 PM) Tank drives in first Sox run today. He isn't ready OBP wise, but hitting for average, I don't see how he isn't ready. and Flowers finish off his swing reminds me of Matt Holliday. It's a shame, as of the moment, thats where the comparison ends.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 03:00 PM) really, the offense around him is THAT bad which lead to him having the 3rd worst ast/usg rate in the league? Who can you consider an all-star on his team? He doesn't have Durant, he doesn't have the Big Three. He doesn't have Amar'e and he didn't have Boozer till now like the other PGs do. He doesn't have Duncan, or Anthony, or Howard. He is by himself. Now.. if he digresses THIS season (since he has better talent), but you have a legitimate argument, but until then, your argument is flawed.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 03:58 PM) He'll get Pujols when he's 39 Gotta keep up with the (get em' past their prime) rate.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 02:49 PM) btw, stats can also prove my claim that Rose is not a great playmaker, not even a good one. of all the point guards last season, Rose had the 2nd highest usage rate, behind Arenas, but ranked 56 out of 67 point guards in Assist rate, so can you really justify him being a great playmaker? so guys, please get of my grills on this subject. thanks B) I'm one of the few who agrees with you, but I'm also in their camp when I say.. watch the games, at least more closely. Deng is one of the worst players to get assist with with his efficiency and tendency to pass up shots and drive to the hole, only to not finish. (not strong or athletic enough, which is why I'm interested to see what Thibs does with him if he runs plays Deng is strong at like Scott Skiles did in the early years) It seems everytime Rose passed the ball to an open man, he'd miss the shot. (or try to do too much with the ball, I.E. Deng, B. Miller, Salmons and his jab step, etc..) He doesn't have Ben Gordon anymore (and I'm not a big BG fan like nitetrain) so there goes the best shooter he's played with last year. When Kirk Hinrich is your only legitimate shooter on the floor more often than not (but has a PG first mentality which means he'd more often than not pass up the shot unless he is wide open, though he isn't THAT great of a shooter) then your screwed on assist efficiency. And please don't get me started on the rebounding rate.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) I'd trade Noah for Melo, if for nothing else, the contracts. Noah turned down 12 mil a year already. That is one of the main reasons why I'm still in favor of netting Melo for him (60-40). If reports are true that the Bulls offered 12 million to him (and I still think that is crazy to begin with) than you have to deal him, especially for a guy who has plantar fasciitis, which Noah has indicated is still not completely 100% yet. That being said, it would have been better if Melo would have had these trade demands earlier in the season where the Bulls could have netted a serviceable center in the summer. I still think you give Rose a shooter like Rudy, have your Rose-Fernandez-Deng-Boozer-Noah lineup with one of the best benches in the league (Brewer, Korver, Gibson, Watson, K. Thomas, Bogans, Asik, Johnson or the great Salabrine) and watch him go nuts.

Sox could be 2.5 GB of the 15th pick tonight.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 10:13 AM) personally, i am a little hesitant to trade for Carmelo after seeing how poorly Rose played with a dominant scorer on the team like Durant. Rose needs to take his shots to be effective and is not a great playmaker, and does not have the 3 point shooting to compliment Carmelo. Now, maybe the poor performance was a fluke or it had something to do with the FIBA style, but I am not sure if pairing Rose with Carmelo would be a better fit than having Rose and Noah. So you want Rose to turn into a shooting guard? Cause at this point that is the route he is going. I take FIBA games with a huge grain of salt, but if you want to go that route, he had the most assist out of everyone in the tournament. (per 48 and a game) He has already shown better defense and court awareness than last year alone from evaluating him and oh yea.. he is still just 21 years old. Alot of times, FIBA basketball doesn't suit certain players. Rondo got cut from the team (ya.. Rondo.. not buying you "leaving") cause he doesn't fit that style of play. Don't know if you remember, but D-Will and Paul both struggled immensely in their first go at the FIBA tournament. When you have guys like Jasekevicus and Langdon who were Euro stars, but struggled in the NBA game, you always have to remember "ya.. there are FIBA games." Ball is much different, different rules, different three point line, etc.. etc.. Do I think Rose will ever see the floor like CP3, Nash, Rondo? Probably not, though he's shown flashes (remember a couple great passes to Deng, but Deng couldn't finish since he isn't strong inside) but surround him with some shooters, he can most certainly turn into D-Will (who doesn't have the greatest vision either well... not like those three or Billups) Obviously Westbrook has developed a touch faster. He has had a superstar to play with from day one, a competent coach, improved his shooting, etc. Rose though has the higher potential, already has improved his shooting, and has averaged 20/6 in his second full NBA season not to mention has done this pretty much by himself (can't say the same for Rondo, Westbrook etc..). He's got Boozer, Korver and needs one more shooter, and a defensive guy in Brewer paired with him in the backcourt. (and I like Thibs going back on running plays for Deng 2006-07 version) He'll be fine. Now give him a guy like Carmelo.. he will defer more (probably could net 10 assist) and not have all the pressure to be "the man." I was 90/10 on getting Melo for Noah 2 weeks ago. Now re-evaluating it.. I'm more like 60/40. Just something about Melo who "could not" be that great of a fit. (unlike a guy like LeBron who is more of a distributor, plays better D, and can score) I'd be shocked if he doesn't average 18-25(depending on Melo)/3-5/8-10 with a steal and a half and better shooting % from the three.

Rios.

QUOTE (The Critic @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 05:14 PM) Devils and Flyers pre-season game on NHL Network right now. I caught the Leafs-Senators game prior to that one. Even though the Leafs got shutout, Kris Versteeg was literally one of the best players on the ice for both sides. (clearly the best on the Leafs team)

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:30 PM) Read that Floyd is still having soreness behind the shoulder. Hopefully it's no big deal if they haven't done an MRI, and he's had shoulder pain for a week now. *Stomach turning alittle bit*. Keep up the updates fathom. (or whomever else!)

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 12:22 AM) I'd add maybe another pick or two to that deal if need be. I'd like to keep Joakim at all costs. I'd give them 2 firsts and that Charlotte pick if need be. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 12:28 AM) Maybe they will bite if we throw in Scalabrine

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:59 PM) 3.5! I'll update every 5 games or so to get a better read on it. So far though.. promising. (Hey if people actually thought we had a chance in the WC when TB was 6.5+ up on us, I might as well do this. )

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:53 PM) Yep. I'll be watching the Hawks preseason game tomorrow to try and lift my spirits a bit. Ditto. And Ozzie.. please play Viciedo and Flowers! (Infante few more appearances also) I would at least like to watch some games if theres nothing else on T.V.

I remember when Jack Cust was pretty much being given away for free by Oakland, only to be put on waivers, and then released before signing a MLC with Oakland. .273/.406/.453/.859 comming into tonight's game. Saying this cause he's one of the guys I wanted the sox to try and nab. Average is a surprise, but always had the OBP.

Wow.. just turned on the game to see when Morel was batting. I've never seen Alexei get owned in an at-bat worse than Cahill just did. Made him look like a AA hitter with those pitches in the dirt.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:12 PM) Twins with a huge 8th inning, so this season will effectively be over in about 90 minutes!! Ozzie will still play the vets. We have pride you know.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:09 PM) You're better than that...you know we're not going to be signing a big name player (unless it's Konerko). That was kinda my point if what Greg was saying will work. Our defense will be very good, but you have to learn from the Mariners a team who wins the UZR title won't go far unless you have some better talent. (namely in the pitching area)

Race for the 15th. I'll update this in 2 days. Florida 75-75 Oakland 76-74 (assuming they win) Toronto 76-74 Detroit 76-75 St. Louis 77-73 White Sox 79-72 (assuming we lose) 3.5 back.