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I looked over Vazquez's game log and compared it to Garlands. They seem to have about the same number of quality starts. Vazquez appeared to be as inconsistent as Garland. What is the definition of a quality start? 6IP

I say screw Johnson and Vazquez. We should try to pick up one of the big 3 from Oakland cause they are younger and cheaper or pickup a free agent so we don't have to give up any offense or prospects.

Pitching wins ball games. Our offense is fine, we need to upgrade our pitching. Our pitching is OK to keep us in it right now but we need another big starter and a reliever to really put us over the edge.

We could meet 2 of our 3 needs (starting pitcher and leadoff hitter) by taking Brown and Lofton off the Yankee's hands. I'm sure the Yankees would pay at least 50% of Brown's salary (it's a contract year for him so I'm sure he'll dominate) and supposedly the Yankees want to get rid of Lofton too. We could probably get both of them for next to nothing too.

I hope you are not talking about giving an unproven pitcher a 3 year $36 million dollar contract. No way will that happen. Anyone that gives him over 3 year $27 million dollar deal is nuts.

I'd like to see who the Top 10 were last year and compare them to this year. That will let everyone know how over hyped alot of prospects are.

Your other options are to watch the games over the internet on www.mlb.com. Their single game price is around $2 and the entire season is like $40. I'm sure it will work with dial up internet but would be alot better if you had DSL or cable internet. I watched one game last year and it was pretty good.

We all know Reinsdorf has money. I think if we get Johnson JR might pull some money out of his butt and really put together a contender. This is the same guy that spent $30million/year for Jordan & $10million/year for Belle. I just don't think he is stupid enough to just spend money and expect to win (reference to the Rangers/Mets).

What right moves did he not make? We probably had one of the most talented teams in baseball in 2003 but they just didn't get the job done. I don't agree with everything KW has said or done but he has put a quality team on the field year after year. Last year sucked cause we lost Maggs for 3/4 of the seasons and Frank for 1/2 but we still finished 9 games out. I'm tired of everyone bashing KW. His job is to put a good team on the field year by year. It's the players job to then win.

This is good for the RJ aquisition. This eliminates the probability of the Florida -> Yankees -> California trade. Now we just need Sexson to sign somewhere other than AZ and RJ to OK the deal to the Sox. Smithers.... the plan is coming together.

Ben Maller seems to think RJ is coming to the Sox http://www.benmaller.com/archives/2004/november/19.html I think giving up Kornerko/Garland and a prospect is worth it. RJ is money. His presence alone will help the rest of the pitching staff. Just remember when you talk about how bad it is to trade prospects how many over hyped prospects there have been. Van Poppel Brien Taylor (yankees) Kornerko (who is just now coming around) Cliff Floyd (decent but not hasn't lived up to his hype when he was a prospect) Win and win now.

I say get Polanco and try to get Vazquez or Brown and Lofton from the Yankees, then get Kendall (don't ask me how, it's not important right now). CF Lofton CA Kendall LF Lee DH Thomas 1B Gload RF Rowand 2B Polanco SS Uribe 3B Crede We wouldn't get our 200 homers again but alog of good hitters. Just 2 lefties though. SP Garcia SP Buerhle SP Vazquez SP Contreras SP Grilli

I agree with you wanting to keep Thomas around. I couldn't imagine him in another uniform. It would be like Jordan wearing a wizards jersey or Will Perdue wearing a Spurs jersey. It's just not the same. ED NEALY RULES!!

Baez could setup too.

Sorry, I didn't real the instruction thouroughly. Baez is a close.

I like Baez. He might come reasonably cheap too. He was like 30/33 in save chances last year. He could close for us and if he slips up we can go with Shingo.

Dammit. Who cares about the Bulls? I'd rather listen to hot stove talk than talk about a s***ty basketball team.

1. Jack McDowell 2. Ron Karkovice 3. Robin Ventura The Central Division will be at our mercy.

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Trading Kornerko can help us fill some holes in our team (pitching, catching). Gload can get the job done. Won't put up as good as numbers as Kornerko but will help us put a winning team on the field.

I think anytime you trade two good players for one you are downgrading your team. Trading Lee would mean that Bochard or Everett would end up in the outfield full time and that would be ugly. Randy is old, good, but still old. Too risky.

You can't complain about a guy that homers off of Benitez to tie a game and hits a two run single off Francisco Rodriguez to tie a game, both of which where late inning hits and both pitchers are studs. They should come up with a stat that ranks a pitcher 1-10, 10 being the best, multiply a players hit by the pitchers multiplier then take the average. There are tons of hitters, Sosa, that get most their hits off scrubs and tons of players that step up against stud pitchers.

I think you have it backwards. Lee is a hitter, PK is a slugger. Hence Lee's .300 average and 25 hr and PK's .270 average and 35+ hrs.

Crede is worthless. My patience have run out on him.