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Clevinger K's the side . SHould get at least 1 more inning. 78 pitches.

And there you have it. I suppose this means the Sox had no interest or Hyun-Suk Jang had no interest in signing with the Sox.

Banks was really good at throwing pitches right down the middle that inning.

Benneti with the Yacht Rock REO SPeedwagon "keep on rollin', Roll With the Changes reference for DeClan Cronin. REO Speedwagons lead singer was Kevin Cronin.

Cronin spotting that slider pretty good against the RHHs

Look the Rays are a great franchise and I know as well as anyone that they have success with many players that the Sox wouldn't have but we are dealing with small sample sizes here and relief pitchers are highly volatile. I never once suggested or even implied it was luck. The Rays do also fail with players only you don't notice those things because teams go through a lot of players. When Cueto had his good year with the Sox was it luck, was he just healthy or did the Sox make a few suggestions? How about Gregory Santos this year after they got him from the Giants. He was an unexpectedly good relief pitcher. Jesse Scholtens is a 29 year old rookie, he's pitched well. Touki Toussaint is 27 and has also pitched well since he joined the Sox. James McCann flourished with the Sox then didn't after he signed with the Mets. Carlos Rodon relaunched his career with the Sox after signing for $3M in 2021. I see you mentioning Diekman over and over. He's pitched 25 innings with TB. Give it time and see how it shakes out a little more is all I am saying. So far so good for him but I think when the batters catch up to what he's doing differently you might not get so excited. I give the Rays credit every chance i get long before you came to Sox talk so my posting history should tell you all you need to know. If you want to get excited over Diekman's 25 innings , cool. Like I said let's see if he keeps pitching that well the rest of the season and see if he makes the Rays playoff roster.

No one is missing the 36 year old Diekman but you should probably use links to reference your points about how they tweaked him. If the Sox had done the same things the Rays did to fix him he might have done better and been tradable at the deadline instead of a giveaway. However, the guy came to the Sox at age 35 and if he knew how to pitch before then, he sure didnt show it with the Sox. His whip was around 2.0 which is extremely high. Also if what the Rays did to "fix" Diekman worked it sure happened quickly. Mechanics are not usually something that can be changed that fast. Pitch mix I can understand. Might just be a temporary fix that caught the hitters off guard from his usual mix. It'll be interesting to see if Diekman is on their playoff roster for the 1st round. He may implode before then.

This proves the Sox were smarter going after that outside corner. Took advantage of how bad Diaz usually is on that side of the plate.

Just a reminder of who was helping Tim get off the field when he was all wobbly legged. It was Grandal who got him back into the dugout. Grandal also had words with Donaldson in Yankees stadium last year at home plate after the Donaldson and Anderson altercation at 3rd base at Guaranteed Rate field. Earlier Anderson and Donaldson were talking before Grandal and Donaldson started at home plate. https://streamable.com/ryc0xc

Pedro is lost. Why would he be up? They have someone just like him with Victor Reyes. Granted either one could be up and not get any playing time. Neither on is an On base machine and neither one can field decently. Equally fast both , strong arms, Naquin's a bit stronger. Both corner OFs but left fielders .

So they pick up Naquin when they have Reyes in the minors and haven't once decided to bring him up ? Reyes 4 years younger both meh fielders . Naquin LH , Reyes SH.

These media members just care about ratings. I highly doubt they vet any of their sources, they run with it. They know people will believe anything during a crisis because it was broadcast to thousands or millions of people makes it truth. If you try to make any sense of any of it you can't just based on who you believe it ends up being biased any way you look at it.

In defense of Tim he was out of his weight class. We have known for a while now that certain Sox players are made of glass. But this confirms so is TA's jaw.

Heard from Francona. He said TA was jawing with Arias earlier and the ump told him to knock it off. Probably some carry over from the tag play yesterday too.TA kept the tag on Ramirez a while too though there was no chance of an out because Ramirez literally had his body on the base.

WHo is Chase Rutherford ?

Well Mr. Antil kicked Hahn in the balls right after the Sale and Eaton trades. Kissed his ass then told him he sucks and implored him to sustain the pipeline of youth through out tenure. Guess JR and and Rick paid no heed.

Sox the have done this before. They have never got anyone who panned out back. They had approx. $1.5M left from the Int'l. free agency money. I've probably been the only one who has pointed this out in recent weeks when pointing to how much JR hates to pay for potential in the form of 16 and 17 year olds and would rather spend it on older players. Usually the obtaining team has a specific target in mind that they need more money to sign because they spent all their money like most teams do on other players. This is a microcosm of how the Dodgers do things and how the White Sox do things. The right way and the wrong way.

Bedard. Fields.

I'd have to bet against that . What date is 67 days ?

I have said repeatedly it's a good trade ,but how it turns out is still an unknown and will be for quite a while. BTW which top 100 list is he on ?

It might be a net positive is all you can truly say which is as good as saying it might be a net negative. We have seen the timelines on Cease, Kopech, Giolito, Rodon and Lopez. How long did it take before we had any clue on how good they were going to be as starting pitchers? Lopez became a reliever. Gio was the worse pitcher in baseball then got good then added weight and became bad again then lost the weight and became good again but not as good as before. Cease's 1st couple of years weren't that good , then he came is 2nd in Cy Young and now has a 4.61 ERA and people are doubting his future. They all had to deal with Covid season, changes in the baseball, changes in using sticky stuff and labor problems. Kopech Had TJ surgery and opted out of 2020. What we have in Eder is a AA pitcher who has returned from TJ surgery . He has very good upside just like the other guys I mentioned. How it turns out is a total mystery.

I'm never overconfident. I state facts and figures. I try to present an unbiased referenced and informed opinion . I do have strong opinions that have been laughed at but in the end I'm usually right. I'm wrong about a lot of things .You can't talk baseball and especially about prospects and be right all that often. There is too much judging in the here and now . This is baseball not football or basketball . It's a sport that requires patience and analysis then more patience as players try to navigate their way through the constant stream of information usable for them and against them. I have been picking out LH players I thought the Sox should acquire for years now. Usually outfielders Outman, Nootbaar, Varsho some of the AZ kids. I've bashed the front office for many years. I wanted them to treat 2020 as a World Series type year and be aggressive at the deadline because just knowing the front office , I knew the possibility always existed for a fast downward spiral. Not many agreed with me and thought being over aggressive may ruin the decade long competitve window Hahn said he was trying to establish.

It's for whatever you feel about Burger. If you have perspective you realize there's room for growth which is the same thing you can say about Eder. Marlins wanted Burger for immediate offensive help . They know his current limitations and hope to unlock more positives down the line. 2 things to like about the Sox were Burger and Robert. That was it. One was taken away. If people want to be a little down about it they can. If they want to bash Burger they can. I don't see any point in raining on anyone parade that they will miss the player and person he was for the Sox. They need more guys like him who actually give a damn and strive to improve.

Well you should buy it. This happened last minute . If you listened to Ng talk on the Marlins telecast you heard her say there were about a dozen people all doing their specific jobs . They don't sit in their separate offices when things are down to the nitty gritty. They probably were in some war room where everyone could be consulted easily which includes initial input from scouts and analysts on all names that might have been bought up in any earlier talks. They have to check medicals and do due diligence like the Sox did or didn't do on Clevinger . JR more than likely has final say when certain amounts of money are involved. Maybe in a Burger for Eder trade he's ok with not being involved in that. Every trade has the same process but all are not done the same way . It's very hectic around the deadline. Maybe Hahn's phone is busy and KWs wasnt.Maybe on deadline day there's a line that is manned by multiple people that can't get a busy signal where someone yells out. I got Kim Ng here ! These things usually start much earlier and take time to work things out and work through the BS . Maybe this one didn't take long as far as the starting point and finishing point was concerned. Just because Hahn is the GM doesn't mean he has to be the starting point or ending point on every trade. I'm sure everyone involved got very little sleep the last couple of days. I know everyone wants the power struture all defined in a tight little package but it's a group effort. They all are to blame and no one more do than JR.

Pretty narrow minded thinking. Marlins as a team are tops or near it in batting average. What they lack is power to get those big inngs.Burger has combined more extra base hits than singles. They also realize that also he is 27 that he has missed 3 crucial development years and that he has room to improve. Why even bother talking about his weight and OBP when the thing they wanted was his power and work ethic and years to see if he could me more than that since she also said he had 80 grade makeup. I think both sides got what they. We'll just have to wait a bit to see if both Burger and Eder have more in them.