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Exactly that was my point. Anthopoulos isn't an idiot.

This. Damn Sox (if true) . If it's not relievers, it's catchers and 1st basemen and RHB's. WTF is wrong with this FO ?

Snapping up the cheap relievers early.

Wouldn't be all that shocked to see Nimmo get 5/$125M so that's a bit more than an extra $5-7M per year.

That's the problem. By this time Abreu wasn't supposed to be our best position player. Could've been Anderson, Jimenez, Moncada, Robert or Vaughn but Murphy found his way to the Sox in the form of Reinsdorf and Hahn and that Law took over.

Those 4 games he played with the Dodgers were something else though ! He was on fire ! He takes walks , has some pop and plays good defense with a strong arm. Also hit for 2 cycles in 4 games at AAA. Of course he has a lot of swing and miss in his game and I can hear us now calling him "Strike Outman". Defensive highllights :

Typical Hahn and Sox always late to the party. All this was highly evident the past 2 years when the Sox did nothing to get LHH. Hahn would talk about it then hedge himself by saying if a RHH can do the job we aren't locked into getting LHH. Idiot !

I brought Outman up last year as someone I would've liked before the Kimbrel trade happened.

Yep Click and Baker didn't get along and Crane is basically siding with Baker. Of course Click inherited a lot of stuff with the Astro's but he did manage not to screw it up. There was a point where Click had a trade worked out with the Cubs Willson Contreras for Jose Urquidy but Baker complained to Crane and Crane nixed the deal.

That's why I've been whining the last year about giving Rodon away. It was like Hahn was working for another team and not the White Sox by not extending the QO to Rodon, not to mention after not doing that I wanted them to resign him. He screwed up in my book twice on Rodon and more than that by using money that should've been paid to Rodon on crap a guy like Kelly ! Damn he sucks.

Just like Morosi said Choi was available.

Giants should be thanking Hahn now that they will get a draft choice for Rodon instead of the Sox .

I tried to tell you when we were debating getting the extra year on Colas that things were grim and more than likely to get grimmer. This is no surprise to me at all. It's why I want Colas up from the start. Wins are just going to be to hard to come by in 2023 to sacrifice even 1 game to gain an extra year. Now it's up to trader Hahn to improve the Sox ? That's just the worst news possible. More 30 somethings and guys with a year of eligibility left traded for what little youth we have chasing down miracles to compete and we'll still be below .500. I suppose this will register with some that it's the official end to the rebuild. I've seen you other posts about trading away Cease now. I said the window was over and people needed to be hit on the head with a brick to believe it. Now I think you do.

Rays are looking to trade pitching to protect some of the rule 5 guys particularly Ryan Yarbrough, Yonny Chirinos and from the BP Shawn Armstrong. Choi is probably available too according to Morosi.

2023 season. We just finished the 2022 season.

Ha I don't trust Soxtalk and I don't have the education necessary but as owner I would upgrade everything behind the scenes related to player development , biometrics, analytics, scouting,allow Marco Paddy to do his job without any restrictions and fire just about everyone else. I'd hire as many people from the Rays and Houston as possible to accomplish all that. I'd emphasize middle of the diamond and LH and switch hitters, defense , starting pitching, speed and power. 1st base and catcher would be last on my list when drafting either internationally or college.

Zero chance it's Nimmo too given what Diaz just got from the Mets.

It's water under the bridge which means what's done is done. I mean we are always in agreement that the direction of the Sox and decisions by Hahn and the collective group of idiots in the FO were based on some run amok thoughts about relievers being the new market inefficiency.

All water under the bridge at this point regarding why they drafted him. His college resume didn't exactly scream starting pitcher so I wouldn't exactly say he was shoehorned into middle relief. They had a talented arm that was needed when you are trying to win and his arm fell apart which would have happened anyway. Best thing you can say is they put him in the minors as a starter in 2021 he gets injured earlier and is ready to pitch 6 months ago as a SP in the minors still developing a 3rd and 4th pitch and building up his arm towards 100 innings but have more service time.

Crochet may want to be a starter but that's a long road for a guy who hasn't pitched 65 innings since 2019. His quickest way back to the majors is as a reliever and for a young man with arm problems and lack of SP innings I'd be thinking more along the lines of qualifying for the MLB pension and a long career as a reliever rather than chasing the dream of being some guy with an ultra slim possibility to put enough 150 IP seasons together to get the big bucks.

Sox didn't ruin him. He hardly had any time as a starter in college. 2018 64 IP , 2019 65 IP. Tell me what were the Sox supposed to do and how they ruined him. He started a whole 13 games in his 3 years at Tennessee with 12 of them in his 1st 2 years and wasn't an outstanding pitcher those years by any stretch. He was drafted based on stuff and spin rates since Covid shut down the 2020 season for him when he was a Junior. But he did have a sore shoulder also. With 2 highly effective pitches he was destined to be a reliever. Should the Sox have not used him in that role in 2020? Based on results in 2020 with the Sox when he was throwing 100 all the time and got in a few games, it looked like they did the right thing. He was MLB ready from the start. Should he have been in the minors in 2021 being developed as a starter when the Sox were chasing a World Series appearance? Do you think using him as a reliever in 2021 caused him to have TJS ? If he was starting in the minors instead would he not have had TJS ? Like many young pitchers throwing 100 he was going to have the surgery soon no matter what the Sox did. If you put him in the minors right away and let him be a starter while never pitching for the Sox its likely he'd still have TJS and never pitches an inning for the Sox. Basically the only thing you can argue is that he would be a promising SP without having accrued any MLB service time but still recovering from TJS. If he was going to have TJS anyway I think he's pretty happy he got paid better than a minor leaguer and put some time toward getting an MLB pension.

Ha wasn't me . I'm not in Altadena anymore but close enough being in Pasadena and I'm in Altadena every couple of weeks to do grocery shopping and hit my favorite thrift shop. Plus I hardly ever buy lottery tickets but I should have given that massive amount !

I think until he plays in MLB Colas should be replaced on your list by Sheets. He had the 7th most AB's on the Sox. You're expecting Engel to be DFA'd and Sheets isn't on your roster. Based on time with the Sox last year until you know otherwise Sheets is on the 26. If others are correct that Colas will be held back to get the extra year there's no telling when he will be called up .He could have a slow start in AAA which would make it easier for the Sox to manipulate his service time. If they call him up right after they get the extra year it's too obvious . Mendick also barely played last year.

Very in depth. Thanks. Must've taken quite a while to put that together.

You mean like Colas ?