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QUOTE (Soha @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 08:44 AM) Cashman said the White Sox are right now where the Yankees were last summer. They're doing the same thing we are. It's the same thing as the Sox wouldn't turn around and trade Moncada and Giolito for anything either. Not sure I believe that. Since when have the Yankees decided they weren't going to be competitive ? The Yankees are the greatest franchise in baseball history with very small periods of not attempting to compete.They have a boatload of cash albeit more when they get rid of some contracts, but still I say the Yanks are all in it next year so even getting Q now would still be prudent. The idea that Q isn't worth Rutherford and Frazier is utterly preposterous . Prospects = suspects. Just because Sanchez played great for a half season doesn't mean all Yankee prospects are golden. Odds are one of those 2 end up never being a starter on a regular basis . Q is a proven commodity over and over and over and over again. I'm not against the rebuild but some of you are in for a shock when some of these guys we traded for have major injuries or just never pan out.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 04:45 PM) First time I've seen the Phillies connected to Q. https://www.fxtribune.com/m/?id=537307 I've always been a huge fan of Q ( as I am with most young Sox players (Avi coughcough). I remember many here using the term smoke and mirrors with Q's surprising performance in his 1st 2 years with the Sox. Even now with his name all over trade rumors and many more learning how good he has been its hard to believe he is still under rated but he is. A recent example is when MLBN lists it's top 10 players at all positions. Usually they have their unbiased "Shredder" then a group of panelists so they end up with multiple opinions of a top 10 list. Even though the list is called Top 10 Right Now the panelists use varying ways for who to put on their lists. Some use the players total body of work some use only the last year, some the last few years, yet I can never recall ever seeing Q on any ones list in the years they have been doing Top 10. This year John Smoltz not only listed his Top 10 but even listed his Top 20 since their are so many starting pitchers as compared to starting players at other positions. Q wasn't even in his top 20. Yet when you read what was in the article you listed ,"Since the start of 2013, Quintana is one of only seven pitchers in baseball to make 120 starts, toss 800 innings and post an ERA+ of 115 or better. The other six: Max Scherzer, Corey Kluber, Jon Lester, Madison Bumgarner, David Price and Cole Hamels. We're talking about one of the best and most consistent starters in baseball for the last four years" it should blow you away he is listed among those pitchers. But we still even have our fans saying he might not be in the Top 20 pitchers also. We have national writers saying he's a number 3 starter. Hahn hasn't even been able to snag a couple decent prospects for him yet. I don't know what these other teams are looking for but it should be a pitcher exactly like Q. Still youngish, consistently good, injury free, amazing contract (just look at the contracts most of those other 6 guys are like !) and most likely not to flop. He is a pitchers pitcher and I hope if he is moved that he kicks ass because he is a pros pro and will do any franchise proud.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 09:05 PM) It might make sense to limit April and September games, but those last thirty give teams an additional opportunity to look at their 40 man roster. With content providers like cable/satellite, they want as many live games as possible to justify those packages...which of course flows from the original broadcast rights deal. 154 is more realistic, because of historical precedent. Of course, you also have add ons like WBC and games in Japan, Australia, Mexico, etc. No matter how long the season is teams will always need to look at their rosters and adjust accordingly. More teams in the playoffs with a shorter season will provide programming content that will generate higher ratings . Might not be on the localized networks but spread amongst the channels like TBS, ESPN, FOX CSNBC. MLBN with funds most likely distributed to all teams but more to the teams involved in the playoffs. Most local afilliates are owned by a larger conglomerate anyway like CSN Chicago by NBC which would probably also be in the mix to pick up playoff games. I just think 154 games with extended playoffs still makes the season too long and increased injury risk to superstars as well as all players. I know a much shorter season is a radical idea and many things including broadcast rights contracts would need to fall in line so the odds of it ever happening are very long indeed but I still think it makes more sense.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Feb 5, 2017 -> 06:08 AM) Well there are a lot of free and available players who aren't getting signed so I wonder if that model as a way to maximize player value isn't obsolete. There's a cap on what a team can pay international signees so I don't see how a draft affects total dollars. And if you aren't competitive you aren't putting much money into free agents. I would think issues like roster expansion, cutting back season to 154 games and expanding playoffs would be more player friendly. Without commenting on FA salaries I often think the 162 game schedule is long overdue for a change but not sure if extended playoffs is needed . Pitchers already have too many injuries and extended playoffs would mean more short starting rotations when the 4th starter isn't usually used ( dependent on the type of series( 1/3/5/7 games). Obviously the farther you go in the playoffs means the best pitchers in the game will go through the most stressful innings . Not sure risking the health of the biggest pitching names in baseball is a very prudent idea. 1 game series seems so un baseball like when the season is based on having a great teams and a 1 game playoffs might hinge on who has the best 1 or 2 starting pitchers. Playoffs then become not who has the best team but who has the the best 2 starters and the best 2 bullpen pieces. The long season is a test of the depth of talent and short playoff series just contradict that. But I am sure if the season ever gets shortened playoffs probably would be expanded .Playoffs games generate much more revenue for most teams so why not just make it more like hockey and decrease the regular season to 100 games and have all playoff series be 7 games except the 1st round with top teams getting byes. Now that idea is too radical and would screw with the record books but makes more sense and would give teams a lot more incentive to be competitive .

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2017/...2017-full-list/ Yes thank you I found it , figuring it would be on FS. But wasn't there supposed to be a thread on it here with a link to the article so we could discuss it here on Soxtalk lile there was for the 16-30 prospects ?

Whatever happened to the 1-15 list? I don't see it anywhere and it was supposed to be posted the day after the 16-30 thread ?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 4, 2017 -> 06:26 PM) I think that's what everyone did the beginning with those guys (Avi the last three) such as Beckham, Viciedo, Danks (post surgery) or even Shields last year. After awhile, you reach an overall conclusion and are just burned out talking about such players where the returns kept diminishing. In that case, it's seemingly justifiable to move on. And it's not like we spent so much time debating our veteran catchers the last couple of years...the difference is Garcia was young, a hyped prospect with lots of potential talent (young Miggy, five tools, could play CF, unlimited power to all fields, shotgun arm) and also the centerpiece of the argument about whether Hahn really knew what he was doing or not. That all led to more poster fatigue on him. Is that being negative or pragmatic/realistic? You pick and choose your battles. In the end, even a more cerebral approach won't get you much of anything back in return for him (see Napoli, Carter, Alvarez...who actually can hit.) I try to look for signs of improvement instead of following the status quo. I know I have brought up in the past that Avi had good success hitting with men in scoring position last year and he was passable last year in RF in his limited innings there. Also there are such things as late bloomers. Is it likely he will improve enough across the board of skills to be a decent hitter or fielder ? Most likely not but all is not lost . His walk rate also was better than the year before and when he hits it the ball does explode off his bat. He has made attempts to be better . Sometimes things just click ,sometimes not. I don't know enough about O swing or Z swing and other sabremetric things to know if there was any signs there , probably not. With few exceptions, I do not often see analysis of this nature here .

QUOTE (hi8is @ Feb 4, 2017 -> 06:23 PM) Why big word use, you? Being a try for smarts or sumfing? Use muscles - not big prove me words who punch is lacked. Sorry I will try not to be such a dick from now on.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Feb 4, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) Are you trolling or just plain delusional? Little of both I suppose. Type A male personalities have always bugged me with their He sucks , you suck ,aggressive Neanderthal behavior which gets even worse online where there is no fear of biting off more than you can chew. Picking on easy targets is the sign of a coward. I am delusional only thinking these types may reflect on their behavior and offer a kinder, gentler opinion which can still say he sucks in a more cerebral way. There have been edicts on this board in the past requesting comments to be more constructive and civil . It lasts for a short time then things just go back to the way they were.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 4, 2017 -> 06:44 AM) No offense dude, but what Avi bias is there around here? The dude flat out sucks at all aspects of the game other than throwing. I asked for his 2015 DRS numbers simply because that was that last time he was a regular in RF. You are really reaching if you think people around here aren't objective when it comes to Avi. None taken dude. Negativity always outweighs positivity. Men feel better about themselves when they insult rather than praise so you are just typical of the gender. No offense dude.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 07:32 AM) Avi was -11 DRS in 2015. I know the Avi bias around here is bad but why list his 2015 DRS? His Fangraphs DRS in 2016 was in the positive territory at 2 runs saved. His overall defense was also iin positive territory at 3.2 which places him 4th amongst all the right fielders in baseball. However to be fair he had limited innings there.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) Tired of the Astros and Pirates. Would like to see another team come in out of nowhere and make an offer Hahn can't refuse. Sick of Luhnow and Huntington. Pirates need to cave on Meadows then try to low ball the Sox on the other pieces. Once they can agree on the headliner I think the chances of a trade greatly improve. Based on all our thinking that the Sox want Meadows as the headliner .

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 06:20 AM) No doubt that there are probably a few teams looking for bullpen help that are interested in Robertson to some degree. My guess is that those teams will send scouts to the WBC to see how he performs before they make an offer for him. There will be plenty of scouts there regardless taking a peek at the International talent but there is a chance Robertson never pitches . Depends on how far Team USA gets and if any of the pitchers added before Robertson decide to step aside or have an injury.

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 11:50 AM) Players are less likely to accept a QO now that the compensation has been lessened. My point was that would be after this season is over . Just can't see him still being on the Sox for the full season when there's still a shot at him being traded before the season starts and during the season.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 01:45 PM) It does make some sense. I understand the value of having a guy like Frazier in the locker room and on the field to help show young guys how hard they have to work, practice, study film, and whatever else. On the other hand, you are also removing potential value from a rebuild in getting a younger player in a position to succeed Frazier at 3B while also removing any potential value you may get from Frazier in a potential trade. I would take this year by year. Under the new CBA, you can only a qualifying offer to a player once, so I'd let this year run its course, keeping Frazier available in a trade but only at the price of a late 2nd round pick (say a 50 FV player and a lottery ticket), and if no one bites, you offer him a qualifying offer. If he accepts, you have him for 2018 too, and if he does not, then you recoup the value, even if it's a year later. At that point, a 1 year, $18 million contract is not going to kill the White Sox. If Frazier makes it to the point that the Sox have to decide whether to give him a QO it will shock me.

Robertson and Nate Jones both look like they will be pitching for team USA in the WBC at some point. Don't know if it's for the 1st series of games or as replacement pitchers if Team USA advances.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) Q's only scheduled for Friday. Hmmmmmm. Needs to head back to Colombia to train for the WBC.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) You of all people are going to be the fun police? Could be that kind of joke is poking fun at those players who thank God for everything. Religious jokes should be just as off limits as race jokes. And I am not very PC but people in the public eye need to be.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 08:07 AM) There was a picture floating around of all the young guys lined up on stage together at some point and I can't find it now. Anyone have it? https://twitter.com/FutureSox/status/825109...src=twsrc%5Etfw

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 12:45 AM) We all heard the same about Beck coming out of Georgia Southern (projected to go 1-1 to 1-5)...but hopefully Hansen's the real deal. And Basabe should the next position prospect to pop up on that list. Chris Beck also didn't even come close to the numbers Hansen did at Great Falls. Hansen destroyed the hitters there whereas Beck got hit around pretty good.

Don't know if this counts but MLB Network broadcast 50 Oddest plays of 2016 and White Sox triple play against the Rangers where Eaton caught the line drive to right threw to Abreu who chased around the runner before tagging him out then threw home and Fielder was caught between 3rd and home before getting tagged out in a rundown. The 1st 9-3-2-6-2-5 triple play in MLB history. Q was pitching. http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/0/v613559383/...th-bases-loaded

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 09:24 PM) My worry with Hansen is how well he responds to a taste of adversity. It sounds like he just fell apart mentally when things went wrong at Oklahoma which caused him to lose the zone. It sounds a little paradoxical, but I'll have a hard time believing in him until he has a bad month and bounces back. Guys who can make it are the guys who can put a bad outing, or even series of outings, behind them. I don't think you are qualified to conclude his mental state . His problem with the strike zone is pretty much all in his mechanics which he has a hard time repeating due to how large he is, It's a common problem with tall pitchers . Randy Johnson took a while to find the strike zone. Hopefully with strength , flexibility and core work and the changes the Sox made he can repeat his delivery more consistently.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 07:29 PM) Hansen could jump too. He certainly could. All he has to do is keep throwing strikes.His stuff is outstanding . He was projected to be a top pick if not the # 1 overall pick in the 2016 draft but he lost the strike zone at Oklahoma and the SOx nabbed him in the 2nd round made a few minor changes and he started looking like that # 1 pick again. Kanny should be a much bigger obstacle for him than was Great Falls where he DOMINATED. If he does well you could see him in the top 100 by the mid-season rankings.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) Did anyone here attend one of the Rick Hahn Town Halls? If so, was there anything worth sharing? Wasn't able to make it, but am dying to here if there any interesting things insights. Post 42 in this thread said SSS mentioned when the time is right the Sox will spend big .What the Sox idea of spending big means is any ones guess.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 05:00 PM) So Law has never seen Tatis play. I would imagine it is the same with many he has ranked. Why is everyone so enamoured with his rankings? I for one don't give a rats ass about anyone's ranking of prospects . I take it for what it is ,just one mans opinion,which in the grand scheme of thing means squat. Soon enough the shine will wear off some of these prospects or it will get shinier. Since I am a Sox fan I sure hope it gets shinier but if it doesn't it isn't like I 've never seen prospects fail before.